New MS Flight Simulator (2020)

[JZL]

@Subcog: Sorry to hear it. It looked from the release notes that they had done significant work on VR.

@Lazy8s: I'd be more inclined to think they adjusted the aircraft cfg files some way, if it's just the Caravan. I have a Caravan flight from St. Bart to Saba saved so I might give it a go.

I've only been able to nail that landing one of three times; must be losing my touch.

[andino]

Hadn't played in a while. Went to fire it up. 104GiB update...

[Lazy8s]

Originally Posted by JZL

@Subcog: Sorry to hear it. It looked from the release notes that they had done significant work on VR.

@Lazy8s: I'd be more inclined to think they adjusted the aircraft cfg files some way, if it's just the Caravan. I have a Caravan flight from St. Bart to Saba saved so I might give it a go.

I've only been able to nail that landing one of three times; must be losing my touch.

Saba > my dream/my nightmare If you give it a shot post how the Caravan feels to you if you don’t mind. I couldn’t hold altitude +/- ~150’ for anything last attempt. Landing configurations were scary lol.

[Nascar24]

Yes Yes Yes, the new COD! Huge updates!

[JZL]

Eeesh, the update reset all my realism settings, maybe so all the new(?) point-of-interest labels would be displayed and made known. My bindings for opening the ATC window and Pause, which are the (iirc) default ~ and P, respectively, did not work, even though the bindings appear correct in settings.

The Caravan flew OK to me. It wanted to nose down some but I trimmed it out at 152 KIAS at ~ 1300 feet, with only a little fugoid. I'm not super familiar with this aircraft and I may've had too much power for a little 25nm cruise.

I missed again, just nudging past the runway into the rocks below. And then I just sat there. The crash detection wasn't working.

[Lazy8s]

Originally Posted by JZL

Eeesh, the update reset all my realism settings, maybe so all the new(?) point-of-interest labels would be displayed and made known. My bindings for opening the ATC window and Pause, which are the (iirc) default ~ and P, respectively, did not work, even though the bindings appear correct in settings.

The Caravan flew OK to me. It wanted to nose down some but I trimmed it out at 152 KIAS at ~ 1300 feet, with only a little fugoid. I'm not super familiar with this aircraft and I may've had too much power for a little 25nm cruise.

I missed again, just nudging past the runway into the rocks below. And then I just sat there. The crash detection wasn't working.

Thanks for the update. I played the porpoise game a bit more with it at Logan (KBOS) and found another weird bug with ATC clearances - the AI doesn’t seem to notice I’m in the airspace until I do a touch n go or missed approach, whereas KOWD actually dinged me for landing without a clearance, but never acknowledged my presence in their airspace regardless of flying the pattern a couple of times, so it’s really hit or miss.

I think I just suck at flying the Caravan, but so far the other bugs I’ve run into are pretty minimal, but there’s still a lot to check out.

[Napoleonic]

I'm stuck on update download loop and cannot update the game ROFLMAO, you can laugh at all the mess from the entire AAA game industry that happened in the last half decade, but this take the crown IMO, because a company renowned for making OS cannot handle the file management properly on their flagship game.

Even when the downloader worked, it still works like something that was released in windows 95 era

[xCLAVEx]

Well, I can "fly" the F-18, but I can't engage the afterburner. Binding a key or gamepad button to engage the afterburner doesn't work. I don't know wtf...

[Thr0tt]

Originally Posted by xCLAVEx

Well, I can "fly" the F-18, but I can't engage the afterburner. Binding a key or gamepad button to engage the afterburner doesn't work. I don't know wtf...

Sonic boom is a nice touch.

[Lazy8s]

Confirmed the trim is broken on the Caravan last night. I just don’t know if it’s my gear or the game, but I’m leaning towards the game.

I did a 27 minute flight from KOWD to KBDL, ~155 KIAS @ 5500 with real world weather disabled to take any atmospheric conditions out of the equation. @75-80% throttle I could barely maintain altitude - talking +/- 500’.

The OSD confirms my trim button is working, but any % I would set it to, it would reset itself to 0% even though the setting would do what it ought to, climb or descend. It just refused to trim out to level.

This sucks. I like the Caravan, but I’m going back to my little puddle hopper for practicing approaches until they fix this. It seems to be a common problem.

[JZL]

Originally Posted by Lazy8s

Confirmed the trim is broken on the Caravan last night. I just don’t know if it’s my gear or the game, but I’m leaning towards the game.

I did a 27 minute flight from KOWD to KBDL, ~155 KIAS @ 5500 with real world weather disabled to take any atmospheric conditions out of the equation. @75-80% throttle I could barely maintain altitude - talking +/- 500’.

The OSD confirms my trim button is working, but any % I would set it to, it would reset itself to 0% even though the setting would do what it ought to, climb or descend. It just refused to trim out to level.

This sucks. I like the Caravan, but I’m going back to my little puddle hopper for practicing approaches until they fix this. It seems to be a common problem.

Look in your realism settings and I think there is one for autotrim, make sure it's off. The update reset a lot of that stuff. Luckily I fly realistic settings except for gyro drift so it was an easy fix for me.

The other thing I've experienced with haywire trimming is that I've somehow engaged the A/P before take off.

It's probably neither of those things if it's aircraft-specific. Fuel-loading, maybe?

[Napoleonic]

youtube recommendation showed me this, mod to replace bing maps with google maps!

[Lazy8s]

Originally Posted by JZL

Look in your realism settings and I think there is one for autotrim, make sure it's off. The update reset a lot of that stuff. Luckily I fly realistic settings except for gyro drift so it was an easy fix for me.

The other thing I've experienced with haywire trimming is that I've somehow engaged the A/P before take off.

It's probably neither of those things if it's aircraft-specific. Fuel-loading, maybe?

It was the autotrim! It never occurred to me to look for what’s set to make things “easy”, so I’ve missed a whole bunch of tweaks.

Thanks man, you just saved me a whole bunch of frustration

[xCLAVEx]

Originally Posted by andino

Hadn't played in a while. Went to fire it up. 104GiB update...

This is a common complaint. People who are more casual (like you and I) go to fire it up every now and then to do a little flying...then are greeted with a 50+ GB "patch" which naturally downloads much slower than it should because of the in game BS.

[xCLAVEx]

Originally Posted by Napoleonic

I'm stuck on update download loop and cannot update the game ROFLMAO, you can laugh at all the mess from the entire AAA game industry that happened in the last half decade, but this take the crown IMO, because a company renowned for making OS cannot handle the file management properly on their flagship game.

Even when the downloader worked, it still works like something that was released in windows 95 era

This isn't new. Microsoft has done this before on games using the MS downloader. I had it happen back when I was trying to install Forza 3 from the MS store...was taking forever then I realized it had downloaded the same 90 GB game about 3 times because it was stuck in a loop.

I was pissed and ended up going over my monthly bandwidth limit for the first time ever with NO indication it was ****ing up.

[JZL]

Originally Posted by Lazy8s

It was the autotrim! It never occurred to me to look for what’s set to make things “easy”, so I’ve missed a whole bunch of tweaks.

Thanks man, you just saved me a whole bunch of frustration

Groovy! Now on to Saba!

[Lazy8s]

Originally Posted by JZL

Groovy! Now on to Saba!

Got to get my plane out of Boston Harbor first

[JZL]

Originally Posted by Napoleonic

youtube recommendation showed me this, mod to replace bing maps with google maps!

At least where I live, google maps hasn't been updated in at least five years, probably eight.

Bing maps actually shows our white pick-up in our driveway, sometime between March and July of 2020. We sold it in August.

[JZL]

IFR Diary, by Joe Campbell . . .

"This is an account of how I earned my instrument rating by flying
52 hours in 18 days spread over three weeks in 1993."

I'd forgotten about this, but if anyone is looking for something to do in flightsim, you can do most of these flights. It's a little dated (pre-GPS) but would probably still be fun/useful. It's an interesting read, too. iirc, most of the flights are in and around central Cal.

[JZL]

Originally Posted by Lazy8s

Right now I have the same Saitek yoke and throttle quadrant in your image, and am using Saitek rudder pedals, with trim, flaps and view all easily accessible .

Now I'm debating a yoke; probably the newer CH Eclipse like above, or a Saitek. Which one do you have?

[SubCog]

Originally Posted by JZL

Now I'm debating a yoke; probably the newer CH Eclipse like above, or a Saitek. Which one do you have?

CH Eclipse is the simplest and cheapest option, if you get the one with the rudders and throttle built in. If you just want to have all the controls built into a single unit and be done, go for that.



btw, I also bought a used thrustmaster hotus + pedals set off of craigslist. So I mainly use the Eclipse + pedals, although I have the option to pull out the hotus as well.

[Lazy8s]

Originally Posted by JZL

Now I'm debating a yoke; probably the newer CH Eclipse like above, or a Saitek. Which one do you have?

I bought this kit:

https://www.mypilotstore.com/mypilotstore/sep/13358

It’s sturdy enough, but there are minor issues that I haven’t 100% solved yet.

The pedals: For controlling rudder, perfect. Steering on the ground seems to be fine with certain aircraft, inop. With others. I have everything mirrored for nosewheel steering between aircraft in the controls, so I’m not sure what the issue is there.

Throttle quadrant: No issues whether fixed pitch/gear or complex.

Yoke: I can’t compare to any others, but even trimmed and configured/auto weather off there’s still a touch of drift. Easily correctable, but annoying at times. Response under normal input or unusual attitudes feels a touch slow, but pretty accurate. The kits spring load feels a bit off when making larger corrections around the lateral axis.

Over all I would say plenty useful, but needs some improvement.

Hope that helps.

[JZL]

Thanks for the responses. I've had the basic USB CH Products stick and rudder pedals for over 15 years. I'd hope the pedals are compatible with the Eclipse yoke. I might just stick with what I have. I haven't flown irl since we moved almost two years ago. A nice yoke is definitely cheaper than real flying.

I have $350 in xmas money burning a whole in my pocket. Maybe I should go to the casino and see if I can parlay that into enough to get a 3060 or something to replace the ole 1070 SC. [j/k] Or maybe a new monitor, chair, and/or putter.

Decisions, decisions.

[A2597]

the "Nice" end is Honeycomb, but they are a tad pricier.
https://flyhoneycomb.com/collections...t-sim-hardware

Right now all flight sim peripherals are overpriced. FS2020, DCS, and shortages haven't helped.

The Logitech stuff isn't bad, and honestly I like their yoke better than the CH one. (However I LOVE my CH Pedals and Fighterstick)

[SubCog]

Originally Posted by JZL

I'd hope the pedals are compatible with the Eclipse yoke. I might just stick with what I have.

My pedals are a totally separate usb device, so FS recognizes them independently from the yoke or hotus. I've been assuming that all flight pedals work that way.

[JZL]

I found "the matrix" in FS 2020 at the locks of the Panama Canal. FS doesn't like water elevation changes. I flew low and slow right at the locks and eventually the elevation change gets "pushed" back and then it looks like a waterfall, and then it tears. I tried to fly into the tear but the airplane crashes when you get to it.

[Thr0tt]

http://web.thrustmaster.com/cn/aplfq...tmaster_i-Land

Free island created by Thrustmaster, they use to test their stuff and released to the public to play around.

[Evileh]

FFs man i really want to play this but god damn it the size of it takes a whole day to just update.. Thanks for the island but ffs another 12Gb that's a 2 1/2 hr dl

[xCLAVEx]

Originally Posted by Evileh

FFs man i really want to play this but god damn it the size of it takes a whole day to just update.. Thanks for the island but ffs another 12Gb that's a 2 1/2 hr dl

It's not so much the size, it's that the updater is in the damn game. Because of this, it is a VERY slow download and update process and it doesn't matter if you're on a GIG connection running an I9 with 400gigs of DDR5 and an NVME drive it downloads and updates dog slow.