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Old Apr 4, 2019, 07:51 AM   #1
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I'm aware that Zen 2 is going to launch sometime this year but the prices of Zen+ chips are becoming very attractive. I can pick up a 2600X for £168, a 2700 for £215 and a 2700X for £268. I'm also looking at an Asrock B450 Fata1ty K4 (?) for just £75 which would make a vey cheap upgrade from my 7700K and Asus Z270.

I'm not bothered by the coolers as I've got a Bequite Dark Pro 4 which is way better than the stock ones. I only real game on my Windows 10 machine so I'm leaning towards the 2600X although my interest is piqued by the 2700 which has two more cores and by all accounts overclocks very well with good cooling which I think I've got.

I game at 1440p on a 144hz free sync monitor which means I'm GPU bound anyway so I don't think the speed of the CPU is going to matter very much TBH. My idea would be to then wait till Zen 3 launches and then buy a Zen 2 CPU for a reduced price like now. That should then last me for some time.

I don't really need the extra goodies that an X470 brings so I think a B450 will be fine and that Asrock Fata1ty looks quite good. If I do this I will give my son my current CPU & mobo which will be a nice bump up for him from my old dependable 2500K.

Obviously I could wait for Zen 2 but it will cost more and I'm not interested in upgrading my GPU ATM so probably wouldn't benefit from some of the new things on the X570 chipset like Pcie 4. As I said I can always do that when Zen 3 comes out and buy a Zen 2 then.

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Old Apr 4, 2019, 08:28 AM   #2
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At the res you play at I think a GPU upgrade would serve you better.
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I would wait on the CPU and not cheap out on an AM4 mobo; the lower end boards usually have really unimpressive VRMs.
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At the res you play at I think a GPU upgrade would serve you better.
At today's inflated prices for a GPU i'm not interested TBH. My Vega 64 plays all the games I play at max settings so another 20fps or so when I'm already getting 80+ isn't really worth the cost. A new 6c/12t or 8c/16t CPU on the other hand could be useful as games begin to use more cores and for overall general smoothness. I also just bought some 3000hz ram so that should be good to go for Zen.
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Old Apr 4, 2019, 11:53 AM   #5
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As long as Zen 2 doesn't disappoint, I plan on probably picking up a 12/24 3700x and X570 motherboard.
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I would wait on the CPU and not cheap out on an AM4 mobo; the lower end boards usually have really unimpressive VRMs.
I have a aorus x470 gaming 7 wifi board. Vrms are nicely cooled.
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considering how close to release it is I would at least wait for details on the new chipsets (x570, B550) to see what they offer.

As well there's little point in spending $200+ on a cpu now just to replace it in a couple of months with a newer 3000 series
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Yeah, I'd definitely wait. Your 7700K should still be performing decently, so this is not the time to rush into a purchase. Put it on the back burner for 2-3 months and there will be better options available.

Also the 2600X or 2700 wouldn't necessarily be a tangible upgrade from what you currently have. They have more cores, but lower clockspeed/IPC, so in things like games it probably comes out more or less the same (that is if you're not GPU limited, in which case it's literally the same).
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Yeah, I'd definitely wait. Your 7700K should still be performing decently, so this is not the time to rush into a purchase. Put it on the back burner for 2-3 months and there will be better options available.

Also the 2600X or 2700 wouldn't necessarily be a tangible upgrade from what you currently have. They have more cores, but lower clockspeed/IPC, so in things like games it probably comes out more or less the same (that is if you're not GPU limited, in which case it's literally the same).
I know it's not necessarily an upgrade but it gets me away from Intel and gives me more cores and threads. Plus, as I've said, I can still upgrade to Zen 2 in 18 months or so for a lower price. TBH my 7700K easily does 5ghz but I wouldn't use that 24/7 I use 4.7 which removes any bottleneck but it's still 4 core.

Plus my son gets a big upgrade from my old 2500K to 7700K with 16gb 2400 ram so he'll be happy considering he's 20 in a couple of weeks. Birthday present
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I say wait, its not a very long wait, when upgrading I expect reasonable speed increases, you wont see much with your purchase, just seems like a waste, use that money your spending on this side grade and buy a Zen 2 at launch.
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If you get a 2700x and play at almost 4k resolutions and you are using a flag ship tier video card 2080 or 2080 ti then the difference in your fps will be exactly the same as any intel current gen chip (besides like the ridiculously expensive upper tier i9's). Now that you are saying you have a 1st edition skylake, you should see either a) better fps b) more constant fps c) way better multi tasking (this is the biggest reason I went amd in the first place as well as the gurentee with x470 to have another few generations that can be shoved into it)
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Where did those prices come from An 8/16 CPU at 4.0/4.8 for $229 FFS absolutely no chance. A 12/24 for just $329 AMD would be mad to sell at these prices TBH. I think people might be in for a big shock with the real prices when Zen 2 launches.
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Prices are in line with the Zen+ release.
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Prices are in line with the Zen+ release.
But Zen 2 will be on 7nm so prices won't be comparable as I presume yields will be lower and hence higher prices. Maybe in 12/18 months time when yields improve prices might start to drop and that's when I'll look to buy a Zen 2 CPU.

I can now get the 2700 for £200 and an X470 mobo for £125 which seems a real bargain as I can pair it with my 3000hz ram and Dark power 4 cooler so should be able to get a good overclock. I'm not looking for the fastest machine but just something that's not Intel and is a good upgrade to my present rig.

It's effectively free as I'd give the money to my son for his birthday and PC upgrade anyway so this way we both win. Not being mean but hey ho it's a win-win situation.
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You are thinking Nvidia business practices of ripping people off, usually pricing stays at least close to what it was the previous gen, we will know soon enough, I would still wait and put that money your going to spend towards Zen 2 now! If it isn't as the prices are showing, I'm sure Zen+ will be even cheaper in 3 months.
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But Zen 2 will be on 7nm so prices won't be comparable as I presume yields will be lower and hence higher prices. Maybe in 12/18 months time when yields improve prices might start to drop and that's when I'll look to buy a Zen 2 CPU.

I can now get the 2700 for £200 and an X470 mobo for £125 which seems a real bargain as I can pair it with my 3000hz ram and Dark power 4 cooler so should be able to get a good overclock. I'm not looking for the fastest machine but just something that's not Intel and is a good upgrade to my present rig.

It's effectively free as I'd give the money to my son for his birthday and PC upgrade anyway so this way we both win. Not being mean but hey ho it's a win-win situation.
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https://www.anandtech.com/show/13560...s-14-nm-io-die

and most likely Ryzen, Threadripper and Epyc all use the same chiplets

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If we look at the trend with AMD’s jump from Ryzen Threadripper 1000 to Ryzen Threadripper 2000, we saw that the new processors with core parity of the previous generation were priced around the same with a $200-$300 shaved off from their previous price tag. The 1950X became 2950X and cost $200 US less. The higher core count parts were at a different market tier entirely, costing north of $1200 US but at the same time, much cheaper than their Core-X competitors.

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Do not upgrade CPU now. Wait for Zen2. 2700x is slower than (or about the same as) 7700k in most games.
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Yeah, I'm waiting too. I have a feeling that it'll be worth it though.
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