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Old Mar 22, 2007, 11:30 AM   #1
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I felt I needed to have a talk with all the menes of rage3d. Especially with the number of indirect hints I have been receiving from the internets. The internets have told me this is a subject that needs to be tackled. As you can see from the link above, this is only part of it. I won't be injecting my own bias into this thread as much as I would like to.

Instead I will leave the subject open for discussion. Taking the first link into context, look at the second link below. Isn't it strange how the subject seems to be on the tip of everyone's tongues?

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/03/21
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My thought to link #1: Get some balls. The guy at the end of the article merged names. That makes sense. However, taking your wives name makes you a whipped sissy. IMO.

Link #2: Seemed only slightly related. I think there's something to be said for being afraid to enjoy your masculinity. Some guys have been so "converted" they don't know how to do it anymore. 300 was very Alpha male. If your blood wasn't pumping by watching that movie, you might consider turning in your card.
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Old Mar 22, 2007, 11:41 AM   #3
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If I ever marry a pretty white woman I'll let her keep her last name so she won't have to carry my last name(Ramirez).
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It's all good to me, as long as we guys can still win a fist fight against our wives. With the women getting more power, we're bound to fight physically following confrontations. That's what's most important, that we still have our physical strength.

Though you will probably take it up the ass more often in bed from your wife and her strap-on.
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Though you will probably take it up the ass more often in bed from your wife and her strap-on.
Ahh jeez, I thought we were gonna leave the boys pecker fixation alone.

Sorry bubba...it's a hard world for you nancy types.
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If I ever marry a pretty white woman I'll let her keep her last name so she won't have to carry my last name(Ramirez).
Nothing wrong with your last name.

Even if it was "make-fun-able", it's still your name, you're the man, be who you are. Fall in, Soldier!!
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Eh, it's unusual certainly. But if the wife has a lot vested in her name (such as running a medical practice, or an acting career), then I can understand perfectly why she wouldn't want to change her name. And since spouses with differing names always seem to raise eyebrows and cause confusion, why shouldn't the husband change his name? Obviously, if the husband has a stupid name, the decision is even easier. Hell, I have a cousin whose last name is "Dorfman." If he ever manages to find someone willing to marry him, it would be a smart move, career-wise, to adopt her last name.
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I do not at all in any way agree with this stuff. Women become a part of their Man when they marry. They become Mrs. Him, whatever his name is.

I am convinced that women of today are confused. They don't have any idea who they are or what they are supposed to be. I partly blame the feminists, but I mostly blame the men of previous generations who LET the feminists do the damage they've done.

How we behave is rooted in and is the fruit of what we fundamentally believe. Therefore, if you have no moral foundation or compass, you will believe whatever is most convenient for yourself. If that means going along with the feminists, then that's what you'll do. But if you believe in someone and something greater than yourself, then you'll live accordingly.

My foundation is the Judeo-Christian bible. My bible tells me that woman was made for man, not the other way around; that she is flesh of his flesh, bone of his bone, and the two of them together are one flesh. There's more to this, but in short, she becomes his Mrs., and therefore takes his name. Hyphenated last names and such are just another weak compromise, one which I will have no part of.

EDIT: shouldn't this be in P&R...?
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... My foundation is the Judeo-Christian bible. My bible tells me that woman was made for man, not the other way around; that she is flesh of his flesh, bone of his bone,...
Yeah, well the bible says a lot of things.
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It sure does.
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If I get married, I wouldn't mind if my wife didn't take my hard-to pronounce and harder-to-spell last name.

On a side note, I love that penny-arcade. I had just read it 30 seconds before this thread.
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What value does a name have besides sentimental value. How important are you if the changing of your name makes you feel less of a man.
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My foundation is the Judeo-Christian bible. My bible tells me that woman was made for man, not the other way around; that she is flesh of his flesh, bone of his bone, and the two of them together are one flesh. There's more to this, but in short, she becomes his Mrs., and therefore takes his name. Hyphenated last names and such are just another weak compromise, one which I will have no part of.

EDIT: shouldn't this be in P&R...?
And what if you were a woman, and this little bible credo would cease to so conveniently work out in your favor? Would you still be so submissive to its declaration? Yes, perhaps most would not care so deeply about whichever last name was thrust upon them... it's about the people in marriage, not their names, correct? But, to be automatically labeled as a mere extension of your husband, of all man, a tool of existence... would it not build some negative tension within yourself?
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My wife takes my last name.

If you have one that's dorky or hard to pronounce. Tough sh it.

Man be a man, woman be a woman. The genders are so damn confused these days. That's why gayness is "cool". pfft, Please.

That's why men are acting like wussies (wtf - metrosexual) and women are dressing in jeans & tshirts or just "slut wear" and walk like men, instead of carrying themselves like ladies.


Who's last name is his child going to take. Bullshi t. Men are going to end up with nothing. Ladies got enough and get more as it is. WTF do we have? Least let a man keep his name and brand his family in maness.

The fall of civilization (in US terms) is upon us.
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... Least let a man keep his name and brand his family in maness.
Don't worry; your penis is safe. No one is suggesting that anyone - male or female - be forced to cede his or her name due to marriage. Those that change their names as a result of marriage do so by choice. The issue isn't whether or not men must take the woman's name when they marry; it's whether they should be allowed to take the woman's name when they marry.

It's about giving additional rights to men, not women.
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Don't worry; your penis is safe. No one is suggesting that anyone - male or female - be forced to cede his or her name due to marriage. Those that change their names as a result of marriage do so by choice. The issue isn't whether or not men must take the woman's name when they marry; it's whether they should be allowed to take the woman's name when they marry.

It's about giving additional rights to men, not women.
Men should not have this right. Period. It takes away your manness. Seriously, I can't believe a man would feel right taking his woman's name. Crazy.
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I am convinced that women of today are confused. They don't have any idea who they are or what they are supposed to be. I partly blame the feminists, but I mostly blame the men of previous generations who LET the feminists do the damage they've done.

How we behave is rooted in and is the fruit of what we fundamentally believe. Therefore, if you have no moral foundation or compass, you will believe whatever is most convenient for yourself. If that means going along with the feminists, then that's what you'll do. But if you believe in someone and something greater than yourself, then you'll live accordingly.

What you see as confusion, others may see as an effort to re-establish identity. Perhaps women do not know who they are (which is such a highly pretentious statement to begin with... how can anyone appraise the identity of a whole gender's worth of people... I mean, what red-blooded American freedom fighter would support this nearly communist notion?) because they are finally rejecting what identities have been so blindly thrust upon them through the ages. Perhaps they are finally actually identifying themselves, via their own individual efforts, rather than letting "something greater than themselves" outline their lives for them?

And just a side note... why is it such an alien idea to establish your own beliefs, based on your own life, and root them yourself, rather than turning your nose up at any belief which does not abide by the ones you were influenced to follow since birth? Just because something is foreign, does not mean it is unnatural, or without divinity. What man grows from never branching out into uncharted experiences?
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The fall of civilization (in US terms) is upon us.
The fall of one culture, the rise of another. Both lasting only temporarily... welcome to the history of all anthropology. If humanity did not develop in this fashion, we would still have scattered tribes in Europa worshiping whatever they happened to be fascinated, and seemingly protected by.
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if you married a pretty white tranny would you take his last name?
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Society's definition of man is changing, probably not for the better or for the worse but we can always hope for the better.


If it makes you happy, do it, just because something is traditional doesn't mean it has to be done and definitely doesn't mean it's right.

Doing something 'unmanly' doesn't make you less of a man, it makes you a different man. Make your own definition, don't just live like people tell you.
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Men should not have this right. Period. It takes away your manness. Seriously, I can't believe a man would feel right taking his woman's name. Crazy.
Men should not have this right? Women should be able to easily change their name, but you'd deny this same right to men? Why should they enjoy legal freedoms that are denied to us? Do you consider them superior to men? What are you, some sort of ultra-liberal feminist?
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More men taken wive's last names? Jesus.
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Society's definition of man is changing, probably not for the better or for the worse but we can always hope for the better.


If it makes you happy, do it, just because something is traditional doesn't mean it has to be done and definitely doesn't mean it's right.

Doing something 'unmanly' doesn't make you less of a man, it makes you a different man. Make your own definition, don't just live like people tell you.
This pretty much sums up all the points I made, except much more concisely.
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eh I think i'd change it if she had a really cool last name

like killington

or outbreak (my name is christian )
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no way is some woman taking away my last name! i wouldn't mind if she kept her own last name, but i'm definitely not getting rid of mine. that's just the way i feel, and she has no right to force her name upon me, nor do i have any right to force my name upon her.
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My wife takes my last name.
Says the guy with "Don't forget your roots" as his custom title.

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If you have one that's dorky or hard to pronounce. Tough sh it.
That's right, the woman is obligated to take her husband's last name.

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Man be a man, woman be a woman. The genders are so damn confused these days. That's why gayness is "cool". pfft, Please.
Gayness, as you call it, is not a fad or a passing phase. A gay person is born gay. It's natural.

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That's why men are acting like wussies (wtf - metrosexual) and women are dressing in jeans & tshirts or just "slut wear" and walk like men, instead of carrying themselves like ladies.
Who the **** are you to say what it is to act like a lady or not? You've been watching too much television.
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I have little to no interest in seeing 300. Here's my penis.

I considered changing my last name to the last name of any future wife I may have for the simple fact that I was mad at my father for being a cheater. Here is my man card.

And you're all noobs. Male noobs. With male boobs.
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I have little to no interest in seeing 300. Here's my penis.

I considered changing my last name to the last name of any future wife I may have for the simple fact that I was mad at my father for being a cheater. Here is my man card.

And you're all noobs. Male noobs. With male boobs.
Thx for your penis Dorx. You have no use for it anyway. You pee sitting down. you don't beat your meat. Hell you should be convicted of penis abuse
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