Best sound card for gaming... possible creative cards killing performance

Dr. Beer · Jan 30, 2002, 02:46 AM

Is it possible that my sound card is causing my 3d performance to suffer? I know the creative live cards aren't great cards and can be hard on a CPU. Is it possible (especially in UT under 2k or XP, but also in 3dmark and other 3d programs) that my sound card is killing my system? I've got hte latest drivers, latest BIOS, blah blah. I've checked IRQs etc etc.
Could it be my NIC possibly?
Any ideas?

Which is the best soundcard on the market for gaming? Don't tell me the creative cards. That is a joke. Possibly the Turtle Beach card? What about the Hercules card? Any input?

orrimarrko · Jan 30, 2002, 03:00 AM

Philips Acoustic Edge 5.1

Better I hear than the audigy, and there driver updates are very speedy and good when a problesm occures. And for $65 retail box, not bad bargain =)

WindWarrior · Jan 30, 2002, 03:01 AM

Dr.Beer, I have two systems running one with the Audigy MP3+ and one with the Hercules GTXP both work exceptionaly well. I did not see a big difference in performance on my gaming system with or with out either card.Both have there +s&-s but I stick with my Audigy for digital sound.I have never tryed the other cards on the market,and have never really had a problem with either of these cards.

BrainPiercing · Jan 30, 2002, 03:09 AM

Damn, why is the Philips so cheap where you live? Here it's well over 100$.

Dr. Beer · Jan 30, 2002, 03:16 AM

hehe Yeah but check out my other posts. There has GOT to be a culprit for my CRUDDY 3d performance and I'm GOING to find it! muahahaha The soundcards are my next victim!

orrimarrko · Jan 30, 2002, 03:59 AM

I live in New York City.

Online you can get it for about the same from a PriceWatch store probably.

If i were to go to BestBuy, they would probably sell it for $100. But we have alot of mini stores around here. And sometimes those stores have a large selection of itmes tha fell off random trucks =)

But, there's quite a few stores near here, that have it for $65-$70 Brand new, plus tax to get it out the door. My concern of how they obtained this product to sell so cheap isnt a issue =)

feiticeira · Jan 30, 2002, 04:14 AM

If you want to check benchmark and then disable the sound card and benchmark
Dave

Kizuel · Jan 30, 2002, 04:32 AM

How is the Santa Cruz card?

FunkLord150 · Jan 30, 2002, 05:18 AM

A few things,

www.3dsoundsurge.com is really the place to ask about sound card CPU use. Also what are your memory settings?

Control Panel > System > Advanced > Peformance Settings > Advanced

Has some memory options, make sure that your optimizing for programs and not backround stuff.

Aceze · Jan 30, 2002, 10:04 AM

The Turtle Beach Santa Cruz gets my vote as best card for the time being. I wouldnt touch any of Creative's offerings after all the trouble I've had with their Live series cards (I am a systems admin for an educational institution, and have bought a significant number).

As far as compatibility and sheer sound quality, the Santa Cruz is where it's at. Unfortunately, up here in the Great White North, Philips cards are impossible to acquire, so I've never had the opportunity to try them. One other good thing about the Santa Cruz, is that you can use drivers from either Turtle Beach, or Videologic (for the Sonic Vortex) - they're both the same card.

Dont swallow the hype, Creative sucks.
Aceze

Bohrn · Jan 30, 2002, 11:36 PM

hey orrimarrko, quick question about the Phillips card.

With my current card (Aureal Vortex2), I can have my speakers/sub hooked up to one input and my headphones hooked up to another. I never have to hook/unhook them or fiddle with anything, I just turn off the sub and put on the headphones. Can I do this with the Phillips card? Thanx for any help you may give

Java Cool Dude · Jan 30, 2002, 11:44 PM

The hercules Fortissimo II is da best ,check this out for more info
PS : If you have Win Me and plan to buy this card it's resonable to wait for the begining of febuary when new cool drivers will be released. They're supposed to offer better performance and less bugs

**Trunks0** · Jan 31, 2002, 12:17 AM

Iam personally getting the SantaCruz card myself. I was thinking about getting a AE 5.1 but as said earlyer there impossable to get here in Canada :\

The GameTheater rocks also. It's the same as the SC but has a break out box and tons of inputs and out puts(There only 29 bucks more

*sniff* but I Can't find one :.( )

[edit] Scratch that found a GameTheaterXp WOOHOO!

Berkswolf · Jan 31, 2002, 03:05 AM

One other good thing about the Santa Cruz, is that you can use drivers from either Turtle Beach, or Videologic (for the Sonic Vortex) - they're both the same card.

Its the Videologic Sonic Fury, not the vortex. Damn fine card!

Tisual · Jan 31, 2002, 10:32 AM

I despise creative for all the problems the live cards gave to win2k.
It took over 2 years for creative to release half way decent drivers.

If you want a card thats got good clean sound and good game support then look at the terratec dmx 6 fire 24/96.

It has true 24bit 96khz sound input and output unlike creatives cards.
It even surpasses the turtle beach santa cruz in sound quality.

Really a great overall card. Pricing is higher than the average pc card but for the quality sound this thing puts out, its just amazing compared to other pc soundcards in that price range. Its in the 200.00 range.

Tomshardware did a comparison between it and the audigy platinum. LOL poor creative there card looks like crap in comparison. Especially in the sound quality.

http://www4.tomshardware.com/video/0...rratec-09.html

Link to full article: http://www4.tomshardware.com/video/0...rratec-01.html

But like the review says its not the greatest at gaming using slightly more cpu time. The problems with sound dropping in games has been fixed with new drivers.

After hearing the card though I will never go back to a card that can't do true 24/96 sound. Its just soooo much better.

Specs on card are :
SoundSystem DMX 6fire 24/9 - Technical Details:

•PCI-board
•3 analog stereo outputs (3,5mm jack) - 24 Bit/96 kHz
•1 analog stereo input (3,5mm jack) - 24 Bit/96 kHz
•2 analog CD-Audio outputs (Molex, On-Board) - 24 Bit/96 kHz
•1 analog AUX input (Molex, On-Board) - 24 Bit/96 kHz
•1 digital CD-Audio TTL input (Molex, On-Board)
•1 analog stereo input (Cinch) on front module - 24 Bit/96 kHz
•1 analog stereo output (Cinch) on front module - 24 Bit/96 kHz
•1 analog stereo phono (MM, 6 mV ) input (Cinch) on front module- 24 Bit/96 kHz
•1 analog mono microphone input (6,3mm jack) on front module - 24 Bit/96 kHz
•1 analog stereo headphone output (6,3mm jack) on front module - 24 Bit/96 kHz
•1 digital stereo in- and output (TOS-Link, optical) on front module - 24 Bit/96 kHz
•1 digital stereo in- and output (Cinch, coaxial) on front module - 24 Bit/96 kHz
•1 MIDI in- and output (5-pin DIN) on front module
•Control range of : 9mV - 500mV
•Output power of headphone output : 60 mW
•Bus master transfer supports ‚24bit 4byte mode' (32bit)
•Simultaneous recording and reproduction of all channels with up to 24bit/96kHz
•24bit/96kHz AD converters with 100 dB dynamical range (S/NR)*
•24bit/96kHz DA converters with 110 dB dynamical range (S/NR)*
•24bit/96kHz stereo digital input (S/PDIF with up to 24bit/96kHz)
•24bit/96kHz stereo digital output (S/PDIF with up to 24bit/96kHz)
•Digital input may also be used for digital audio output of an internal CD-Rom drive (TTL)
•Input control of AD converters with +18dB increment in 0,5dB steps
•Hardware with internal resolution of 36bit
•VU-meter in control panel (hardware based)
•"None-Audio" mode for transmission of AC3 and DTS streams via digital interface
•Connection option for microWAVE PC!, DXR and DXF , alternatively to DMX 6fire 24/96 front module

Software
•WDM driver for Windows 98SE/ ME/2000 and Windows XP Supports ASIO 2.0
•WDM Kernel Streaming (e.g. for Sonar ™)
•MME- and DirectSound
•DirectSound 3D, Sensaura 3D, A3D 1.0/2.0 and EAX 1.0/2.0 as well as Macro FX**
•ControlPanel for Windows 98SE/ME/2000 and Windows XP

Rasta Monsta · Jan 31, 2002, 10:39 AM

I am curious about your NIC suspicion. . .I have a cheap D-Link, and noticed for the first time yesterday that it was not complying with PCI Latency as set in BIOS. While all my other cards are set at 32, this punk is running at 128, even though its specs state it is bus mastering compatible.

So, what is it that makes you suspect your NIC?

rasta

Darksider · Jan 31, 2002, 10:40 AM

Which ever one you choose, be sure to pick based on bundles, connections, etc. The Santa Cruz, GTXP, and AE all use the same chip so you have to look at the rest of the card when making your decision.

friskyolive · Jan 31, 2002, 12:36 PM

I enjoy my creative sblive. Its original with the daughter board in the back of my pc..Never had any problems with it, nor was it interfering with my fps, nor my irqs. I enjoy surround and EAX with digital capability in movies. Dunno why people are having problems, this card has been on my previous systems as well.. I dunno.....

Dr. Beer · Jan 31, 2002, 09:47 PM

Rasta, it's not a specific suspicion towards my NIC. It's towards all of my PCI cards, which number 2. My SBlive and my Realtek NIC. SOMETHING is going wrong on my system and it is not software. I am thinking there some sort of problem in the hardware. This weekend I am going to be formatting for the 11th time in two weeks. I'll do it without my sound card and see how things work.
I've never before had a problem with either my sound or NIC though so...

I'm just frustrated because I see people with lesser rigs than I have pushing way more FPS than I do and they aren't OCed or have any tweaks going I don't. Even people with damn near exact same system specs get better performance. :/

Rasta Monsta · Jan 31, 2002, 09:51 PM

Hey Doc, does your problem resolve if you pull the NIC?

rasta

Dr. Beer · Jan 31, 2002, 09:57 PM

Haven't had a chance to try yet. I was going to just pull the soundcard tomorrow if I had the time and then the NIC as well. Currently they are in the farthest PCI slots from my AGP but I might put them back where they were (closest PCI slots to AGP). I didn't notice any different when I moved them in the first place though. That was with a clean install after moving them as well.

I've got another post describing my problem exactly Rasta, not sure if you have read it so I will link to it here. Maybe you can shed some light on my problem...

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthre...eadid=33601688

Rasta Monsta · Jan 31, 2002, 10:07 PM

I read your other post. Try opening your UnrealTournament.ini file, and changing the "DirectSound" entry from "1" to "0."

good luck,

rasta

Starla · Jan 31, 2002, 10:07 PM

You guys to realize you links to tomshardware right.. no one in there right mind takes his(and his staff's) reviews seriously

I use a sb128pci... how much better could it get for playing mp3s?

sbp · Feb 1, 2002, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by darksider15
Which ever one you choose, be sure to pick based on bundles, connections, etc. The Santa Cruz, GTXP, and AE all use the same chip so you have to look at the rest of the card when making your decision.

The Hercules Game Theater XP and Turtle Beach Santa Cruz use Cirrus Logic's SoundFusion CS4630 soundchip

Philips Acoustic Edge uses the PHILIPS ThunderBird Avenger soundchip.

http://www.3dss.com/reviews.html

MrB · Feb 1, 2002, 12:19 AM

I'd go with a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz

Dr. Beer · Feb 1, 2002, 01:34 AM

I just disabled sound completely in my games. guess what? FPS soared through the roof and stayed up there no matter what was going on. I KNEW it wasn't the 8500. My 8500 had been running flawlessly on everything

Time to order a new sound card!

**Trunks0** · Feb 1, 2002, 01:42 AM

Go with the SantaCruz if you don't want(or need) the inputs of the Hercules card and save your self some cash. However if you want a crap load of in's and outs and break out box then spend the extra and get the herc(thats what Iam doing! I finally found a place in Vancouver that carry's it

)

Dr. Beer · Feb 1, 2002, 01:48 AM

I do all my composing (heh real composing; I have a degree in music) in my head then I write in on paper. I don't need a soundcard for MIDI etc. I need a really good gaming sound card though. Good 3d positioning etc.

Strxtrsprt11 · Feb 1, 2002, 11:44 AM

Can you all stop thinking its his sound card. It is obviously his Radeon 8500. Since you peons don't know, ATI coded Trueform rendering that is supposed to work with most of the games that are out on the market. However, TR hasn't pulled its end of the bargain and is leaving gamers with horrid framerates and disappointed demeanors. I have found that in CS that you can disable TR by typing "ati_npatch 0" in the console (no quotes).

Good luck

Dr. Beer · Feb 1, 2002, 05:01 PM

It IS my soundcard. I don't have any problems with my 8500 in CS or any other game, using truform or not. I disable my soundcard and everything works like a dream.

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Dr. Beer Radeon R200 Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 87	Best sound card for gaming... possible creative cards killing performance Is it possible that my sound card is causing my 3d performance to suffer? I know the creative live cards aren't great cards and can be hard on a CPU. Is it possible (especially in UT under 2k or XP, but also in 3dmark and other 3d programs) that my sound card is killing my system? I've got hte latest drivers, latest BIOS, blah blah. I've checked IRQs etc etc. Could it be my NIC possibly? Any ideas? Which is the best soundcard on the market for gaming? Don't tell me the creative cards. That is a joke. Possibly the Turtle Beach card? What about the Hercules card? Any input? __________________ Windows XP Professional Corporate AMD Athlon 1ghz Abit KT7-RAID RADEON 8500 2x IBM Desktar 15.3gb 7200rpm hdds SBLive 5.1

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Jan 30, 2002, 03:01 AM	#3
WindWarrior Radeon R420 Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: VA Posts: 308	Dr.Beer, I have two systems running one with the Audigy MP3+ and one with the Hercules GTXP both work exceptionaly well. I did not see a big difference in performance on my gaming system with or with out either card.Both have there +s&-s but I stick with my Audigy for digital sound.I have never tryed the other cards on the market,and have never really had a problem with either of these cards. __________________ HARLEY DAVIDSON: IF I HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT YOU JUST WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND !!! WARRIOR BLACK WIDOW Inc. SYS:Lian-Li PC 7T w/lexan window w/costom graphics/neon lighting Startech 450 watt pws AMD 1800+Tt Volcano 7+ Soyo Dragon + 768mb PC2100 Samsung DDR 2xWD30 gig HDs R8500 retail 275/275 Dig.Research 52x cdrom TDK 32x10x40 CD-R/RW Creative 12x dvd Audigy MP3+ Cambridge SW 5.1s

Jan 30, 2002, 03:09 AM	#4
BrainPiercing Tseng Labs ET500 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 1,720	Damn, why is the Philips so cheap where you live? Here it's well over 100$. __________________ My OLD System, now Mediastation: Asus A7N8X Deluxe with Barton 2.5 @ 20011 2x512MB Corsair CL2 PC400 IBM Deskstar 307030 30GB HD, Ultra ATA 100, 7200 RPM + WD something 60GB HD, Ultra ATA100, 7200 RPM + WD Caviar 120GB SATA133 7200RPM + Samsung 200GB Sata150 7200 Powercolor Radeon 9800pro STILL running 4.3 cats, and Arctic Cooling VGA Silencer Onboard network cards; !!!Win98SE!!!* (yes 200GB HDD on Win98 works fine :)) NEW: HP nx9420, T2400, x1600 256M, 1440x900, 1GB, 100GB HDD, XPPro.

Jan 30, 2002, 03:16 AM	#5
Dr. Beer Radeon R200 Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 87	hehe Yeah but check out my other posts. There has GOT to be a culprit for my CRUDDY 3d performance and I'm GOING to find it! muahahaha The soundcards are my next victim! __________________ Windows XP Professional Corporate AMD Athlon 1ghz Abit KT7-RAID RADEON 8500 2x IBM Desktar 15.3gb 7200rpm hdds SBLive 5.1

Jan 30, 2002, 03:00 AM	#2
orrimarrko Radeon R600 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: The Shires Posts: 623	Philips Acoustic Edge 5.1 Better I hear than the audigy, and there driver updates are very speedy and good when a problesm occures. And for $65 retail box, not bad bargain =)

Jan 30, 2002, 03:59 AM	#6
orrimarrko Radeon R600 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: The Shires Posts: 623	I live in New York City. Online you can get it for about the same from a PriceWatch store probably. If i were to go to BestBuy, they would probably sell it for $100. But we have alot of mini stores around here. And sometimes those stores have a large selection of itmes tha fell off random trucks =) But, there's quite a few stores near here, that have it for $65-$70 Brand new, plus tax to get it out the door. My concern of how they obtained this product to sell so cheap isnt a issue =)

Jan 30, 2002, 04:14 AM	#7
feiticeira Radeon R520 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Southampton - UK Posts: 395	If you want to check benchmark and then disable the sound card and benchmark Dave __________________ i5 2500K @4532 6950 crossfire 8gb Corsair Vengence

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Jan 30, 2002, 04:32 AM	#8
Kizuel the post gestapo Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Spirit World Posts: 1,173	How is the Santa Cruz card?

Jan 30, 2002, 05:18 AM	#9
FunkLord150 Newbie Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6	A few things, www.3dsoundsurge.com is really the place to ask about sound card CPU use. Also what are your memory settings? Control Panel > System > Advanced > Peformance Settings > Advanced Has some memory options, make sure that your optimizing for programs and not backround stuff.

Jan 30, 2002, 10:04 AM	#10
Aceze Radeon R300 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Uncomfortable chair. Posts: 185	The Turtle Beach Santa Cruz gets my vote as best card for the time being. I wouldnt touch any of Creative's offerings after all the trouble I've had with their Live series cards (I am a systems admin for an educational institution, and have bought a significant number). As far as compatibility and sheer sound quality, the Santa Cruz is where it's at. Unfortunately, up here in the Great White North, Philips cards are impossible to acquire, so I've never had the opportunity to try them. One other good thing about the Santa Cruz, is that you can use drivers from either Turtle Beach, or Videologic (for the Sonic Vortex) - they're both the same card. Dont swallow the hype, Creative sucks. Aceze __________________ Just remember: No matter where you go, there you are. AMD Athlon XP 2700+ MSI KT3 Ultra 2 w/ 512MB PC2700 DDR RAM Win2K SP4, DX9.0 Radeon 9700 & TB Santa Cruz

Jan 30, 2002, 11:36 PM	#11
Bohrn Radeon R420 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 255	hey orrimarrko, quick question about the Phillips card. With my current card (Aureal Vortex2), I can have my speakers/sub hooked up to one input and my headphones hooked up to another. I never have to hook/unhook them or fiddle with anything, I just turn off the sub and put on the headphones. Can I do this with the Phillips card? Thanx for any help you may give __________________ Asus A8V-E-SE, 3gig Kingston PC3200, Opteron 180, HIS Radeon HD3850 512meg, 80gig SATA, 47gig EIDE, 48X DVD burner, Saitek Cyborg Evo, Logitec X530sub/satellites, cable internet, assorted other bits and pieces.

Jan 30, 2002, 11:44 PM	#12
Java Cool Dude With my family Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,065	The hercules Fortissimo II is da best ,check this out for more info PS : If you have Win Me and plan to buy this card it's resonable to wait for the begining of febuary when new cool drivers will be released. They're supposed to offer better performance and less bugs

Jan 31, 2002, 12:17 AM	#13
Trunks0 Keeping an open mind Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada Posts: 21,413	Iam personally getting the SantaCruz card myself. I was thinking about getting a AE 5.1 but as said earlyer there impossable to get here in Canada :\ The GameTheater rocks also. It's the same as the SC but has a break out box and tons of inputs and out puts(There only 29 bucks more sniff but I Can't find one :.( ) [edit] Scratch that found a GameTheaterXp WOOHOO! __________________ -Trunks0 not speaking for all and if I am wrong I never said it. (plz note that is meant as a joke) System: Asus TUF Gaming X570-Pro - AMD Ryzen 7 5800x - Noctua NH-D15S chromax.Black - 32gb of G.Skill Trident Z NEO - Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD±RW - Samsung 850 Evo 250Gib - 4TiB Seagate - XFX MERC 308 Radeon RX 6600XT - Creative AE-5 Plus - Windows 10 64-bit Last edited by Trunks0 : Jan 31, 2002 at 09:26 PM.

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Jan 31, 2002, 03:05 AM	#14
Berkswolf Radeon R200 Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 74	One other good thing about the Santa Cruz, is that you can use drivers from either Turtle Beach, or Videologic (for the Sonic Vortex) - they're both the same card. Its the Videologic Sonic Fury, not the vortex. Damn fine card! __________________ If I hadn't seen such riches, I could live with being poor

Jan 31, 2002, 10:32 AM	#15
Tisual Radeon R100 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 35	I despise creative for all the problems the live cards gave to win2k. It took over 2 years for creative to release half way decent drivers. If you want a card thats got good clean sound and good game support then look at the terratec dmx 6 fire 24/96. It has true 24bit 96khz sound input and output unlike creatives cards. It even surpasses the turtle beach santa cruz in sound quality. Really a great overall card. Pricing is higher than the average pc card but for the quality sound this thing puts out, its just amazing compared to other pc soundcards in that price range. Its in the 200.00 range. Tomshardware did a comparison between it and the audigy platinum. LOL poor creative there card looks like crap in comparison. Especially in the sound quality. http://www4.tomshardware.com/video/0...rratec-09.html Link to full article: http://www4.tomshardware.com/video/0...rratec-01.html But like the review says its not the greatest at gaming using slightly more cpu time. The problems with sound dropping in games has been fixed with new drivers. After hearing the card though I will never go back to a card that can't do true 24/96 sound. Its just soooo much better. Specs on card are : SoundSystem DMX 6fire 24/9 - Technical Details: •PCI-board •3 analog stereo outputs (3,5mm jack) - 24 Bit/96 kHz •1 analog stereo input (3,5mm jack) - 24 Bit/96 kHz •2 analog CD-Audio outputs (Molex, On-Board) - 24 Bit/96 kHz •1 analog AUX input (Molex, On-Board) - 24 Bit/96 kHz •1 digital CD-Audio TTL input (Molex, On-Board) •1 analog stereo input (Cinch) on front module - 24 Bit/96 kHz •1 analog stereo output (Cinch) on front module - 24 Bit/96 kHz •1 analog stereo phono (MM, 6 mV ) input (Cinch) on front module- 24 Bit/96 kHz •1 analog mono microphone input (6,3mm jack) on front module - 24 Bit/96 kHz •1 analog stereo headphone output (6,3mm jack) on front module - 24 Bit/96 kHz •1 digital stereo in- and output (TOS-Link, optical) on front module - 24 Bit/96 kHz •1 digital stereo in- and output (Cinch, coaxial) on front module - 24 Bit/96 kHz •1 MIDI in- and output (5-pin DIN) on front module •Control range of : 9mV - 500mV •Output power of headphone output : 60 mW •Bus master transfer supports ‚24bit 4byte mode' (32bit) •Simultaneous recording and reproduction of all channels with up to 24bit/96kHz •24bit/96kHz AD converters with 100 dB dynamical range (S/NR)* •24bit/96kHz DA converters with 110 dB dynamical range (S/NR)* •24bit/96kHz stereo digital input (S/PDIF with up to 24bit/96kHz) •24bit/96kHz stereo digital output (S/PDIF with up to 24bit/96kHz) •Digital input may also be used for digital audio output of an internal CD-Rom drive (TTL) •Input control of AD converters with +18dB increment in 0,5dB steps •Hardware with internal resolution of 36bit •VU-meter in control panel (hardware based) •"None-Audio" mode for transmission of AC3 and DTS streams via digital interface •Connection option for microWAVE PC!, DXR and DXF , alternatively to DMX 6fire 24/96 front module Software •WDM driver for Windows 98SE/ ME/2000 and Windows XP Supports ASIO 2.0 •WDM Kernel Streaming (e.g. for Sonar ™) •MME- and DirectSound •DirectSound 3D, Sensaura 3D, A3D 1.0/2.0 and EAX 1.0/2.0 as well as Macro FX** •ControlPanel for Windows 98SE/ME/2000 and Windows XP Last edited by Tisual : Jan 31, 2002 at 10:39 AM.

Jan 31, 2002, 10:39 AM	#16
Rasta Monsta Jah Rastafari! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 608	Hey Doc! I am curious about your NIC suspicion. . .I have a cheap D-Link, and noticed for the first time yesterday that it was not complying with PCI Latency as set in BIOS. While all my other cards are set at 32, this punk is running at 128, even though its specs state it is bus mastering compatible. So, what is it that makes you suspect your NIC? rasta __________________ Rasta Monsta P4 3.4g, SwifTech MCX-478V, 92mm Delta Abit IC-7G (Intel i875), with 1.0 GB OCZ E.L. Platinum PC3200 HIS [email protected], Dell 2001FP TFT 138 GB Raptor (RAID 0) Audigy 2 ZS Platinum . Windows 5.1.2600v2180

Jan 31, 2002, 10:40 AM	#17
Darksider It's what's Inside Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: USA Posts: 1,555	Which ever one you choose, be sure to pick based on bundles, connections, etc. The Santa Cruz, GTXP, and AE all use the same chip so you have to look at the rest of the card when making your decision. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9450 @ 3.666GHz Asus Rampage Formula (FSB @ 1.832GHz) Cosair Dominator 8GB @ 1.1GHz BFG Tech GTX 260 OC Seagate 7200.11 750GB & 2x Seagate 7200.10 320GB Razer Barracuda AC-1 7.1 Logitech Z-680 5.1 Samsung 226BW 22" LCD Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 x64

Jan 31, 2002, 12:36 PM	#18
friskyolive Looking down on you! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario Posts: 7,458	I enjoy my creative sblive. Its original with the daughter board in the back of my pc..Never had any problems with it, nor was it interfering with my fps, nor my irqs. I enjoy surround and EAX with digital capability in movies. Dunno why people are having problems, this card has been on my previous systems as well.. I dunno..... __________________ See how his nose twitches? Something smells about this, and it's not stinking clouds from his furry backside! Quote from Minsc. Overstep your boundaries, and look beyond your scope of vision.

Jan 31, 2002, 09:47 PM	#19
Dr. Beer Radeon R200 Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 87	Rasta, it's not a specific suspicion towards my NIC. It's towards all of my PCI cards, which number 2. My SBlive and my Realtek NIC. SOMETHING is going wrong on my system and it is not software. I am thinking there some sort of problem in the hardware. This weekend I am going to be formatting for the 11th time in two weeks. I'll do it without my sound card and see how things work. I've never before had a problem with either my sound or NIC though so... I'm just frustrated because I see people with lesser rigs than I have pushing way more FPS than I do and they aren't OCed or have any tweaks going I don't. Even people with damn near exact same system specs get better performance. :/ __________________ Windows XP Professional Corporate AMD Athlon 1ghz Abit KT7-RAID RADEON 8500 2x IBM Desktar 15.3gb 7200rpm hdds SBLive 5.1

Jan 31, 2002, 09:51 PM	#20
Rasta Monsta Jah Rastafari! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 608	NIC Hey Doc, does your problem resolve if you pull the NIC? rasta __________________ Rasta Monsta P4 3.4g, SwifTech MCX-478V, 92mm Delta Abit IC-7G (Intel i875), with 1.0 GB OCZ E.L. Platinum PC3200 HIS [email protected], Dell 2001FP TFT 138 GB Raptor (RAID 0) Audigy 2 ZS Platinum . Windows 5.1.2600v2180

Jan 31, 2002, 09:57 PM	#21
Dr. Beer Radeon R200 Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 87	Haven't had a chance to try yet. I was going to just pull the soundcard tomorrow if I had the time and then the NIC as well. Currently they are in the farthest PCI slots from my AGP but I might put them back where they were (closest PCI slots to AGP). I didn't notice any different when I moved them in the first place though. That was with a clean install after moving them as well. I've got another post describing my problem exactly Rasta, not sure if you have read it so I will link to it here. Maybe you can shed some light on my problem... http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthre...eadid=33601688 __________________ Windows XP Professional Corporate AMD Athlon 1ghz Abit KT7-RAID RADEON 8500 2x IBM Desktar 15.3gb 7200rpm hdds SBLive 5.1

Jan 31, 2002, 10:07 PM	#22
Rasta Monsta Jah Rastafari! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 608	DirectSound I read your other post. Try opening your UnrealTournament.ini file, and changing the "DirectSound" entry from "1" to "0." good luck, rasta __________________ Rasta Monsta P4 3.4g, SwifTech MCX-478V, 92mm Delta Abit IC-7G (Intel i875), with 1.0 GB OCZ E.L. Platinum PC3200 HIS [email protected], Dell 2001FP TFT 138 GB Raptor (RAID 0) Audigy 2 ZS Platinum . Windows 5.1.2600v2180

Jan 31, 2002, 10:07 PM	#23
Starla Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 8,213	You guys to realize you links to tomshardware right.. no one in there right mind takes his(and his staff's) reviews seriously I use a sb128pci... how much better could it get for playing mp3s?

Feb 1, 2002, 12:19 AM	#25
MrB drunk manslut Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 3,209	I'd go with a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz

Feb 1, 2002, 01:34 AM	#26
Dr. Beer Radeon R200 Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 87	I just disabled sound completely in my games. guess what? FPS soared through the roof and stayed up there no matter what was going on. I KNEW it wasn't the 8500. My 8500 had been running flawlessly on everything Time to order a new sound card! __________________ Windows XP Professional Corporate AMD Athlon 1ghz Abit KT7-RAID RADEON 8500 2x IBM Desktar 15.3gb 7200rpm hdds SBLive 5.1

Feb 1, 2002, 01:42 AM	#27
Trunks0 Keeping an open mind Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada Posts: 21,413	Go with the SantaCruz if you don't want(or need) the inputs of the Hercules card and save your self some cash. However if you want a crap load of in's and outs and break out box then spend the extra and get the herc(thats what Iam doing! I finally found a place in Vancouver that carry's it ) __________________ -Trunks0 not speaking for all and if I am wrong I never said it. (plz note that is meant as a joke) System: Asus TUF Gaming X570-Pro - AMD Ryzen 7 5800x - Noctua NH-D15S chromax.Black - 32gb of G.Skill Trident Z NEO - Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD±RW - Samsung 850 Evo 250Gib - 4TiB Seagate - XFX MERC 308 Radeon RX 6600XT - Creative AE-5 Plus - Windows 10 64-bit

Feb 1, 2002, 01:48 AM	#28
Dr. Beer Radeon R200 Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 87	I do all my composing (heh real composing; I have a degree in music) in my head then I write in on paper. I don't need a soundcard for MIDI etc. I need a really good gaming sound card though. Good 3d positioning etc. __________________ Windows XP Professional Corporate AMD Athlon 1ghz Abit KT7-RAID RADEON 8500 2x IBM Desktar 15.3gb 7200rpm hdds SBLive 5.1

Feb 1, 2002, 11:44 AM	#29
Strxtrsprt11 Radeon R300 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 108	Can you all stop thinking its his sound card. It is obviously his Radeon 8500. Since you peons don't know, ATI coded Trueform rendering that is supposed to work with most of the games that are out on the market. However, TR hasn't pulled its end of the bargain and is leaving gamers with horrid framerates and disappointed demeanors. I have found that in CS that you can disable TR by typing "ati_npatch 0" in the console (no quotes). Good luck

Feb 1, 2002, 05:01 PM	#30
Dr. Beer Radeon R200 Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 87	It IS my soundcard. I don't have any problems with my 8500 in CS or any other game, using truform or not. I disable my soundcard and everything works like a dream. __________________ Windows XP Professional Corporate AMD Athlon 1ghz Abit KT7-RAID RADEON 8500 2x IBM Desktar 15.3gb 7200rpm hdds SBLive 5.1

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