F@H 5.xx Official Thread

TheEmrys · Aug 10, 2004, 03:59 PM

Come and get it folks. Here is the new clients. Win98 support may have evaporated for graphical client. And I truly had problems installing it on Win98 machines. No major changes from the RC.

Pr()ZaC · Aug 10, 2004, 04:02 PM

Link!

TheEmrys · Aug 10, 2004, 04:09 PM

http://folding.stanford.edu./download.html

Greasy · Aug 10, 2004, 04:11 PM

Thanks for the heads up.

TheEmrys · Aug 10, 2004, 04:41 PM

I really like the new interface. All sorts of cool info on it including which core is being used as well as timers for frames and for entire WU. I really like this.

carramrod01 · Aug 10, 2004, 07:11 PM

If I install this right now will it erase the WU's I'm currently in the middle of?

Sorry, still newb to this

TheEmrys · Aug 10, 2004, 07:16 PM

No, you will be fine. I have installed the new client on 7 machines so far and it picks right up where it was left off. That reminds me, I have another machine to go do.

citywok · Aug 10, 2004, 07:19 PM

is there any real benefit? like performance wise?

TheEmrys · Aug 10, 2004, 08:31 PM

Here are the improvements. I would say that being able to use the new, big 5 meg units would be reason enough. Also, for console users, it now has a service installation option. Good stuff.

5.00:
- Collection server support. If a client finishes a work unit from
a Work server with this feature enabled, then if 2 upload
attempts to that server fail, the client will return to the
work unit to a Collection server. Pending credit will be given
for the unit, becoming final when the Work server comes back up
and verifies what the Collection server has received. All work
servers will eventually be associated with a Collection server,
and many already are.
- Configuration option to allow downloads and uploads greater
than 5 MB in size, which some new projects will require due
to the size of what they are simulating.
- [email protected] configuration option reworded to be "No deadline" option.
- Print executable name and launch directory to log.
- Fix for bug where queue slot could get stuck "Fetching"
- MyFolding links updated.
- Configuration option to pause work when the computer is using
battery power (for laptops).
- Behavior in response to a shutdown or logoff of the system should be
improved (exiting nicely).
- Console: Built in service installation support through Configuration, to
have the program automatically begin at machine startup. If one wishes, the
service can be further configured and interacted with through the Services
tool (GUI) that can be accessed through the Windows Settings (under
Administrative Tools in 2000/NT). The Sc command line tool may also be used.
There are known issues with the Net tool.
- GUI: Larger window size and more informative display.
- GUI: Screensaver configuration option.
- GUI: Print a message to FAHlog.txt when ask to network.

carramrod01 · Aug 10, 2004, 10:39 PM

Another quick newb question. How large on average is a WU are we talking a few MB here or just few hundred KB or what?

***Lupine*** · Aug 10, 2004, 11:21 PM

Hey guys!

Yes, v.5.00 official has been released (nice catch TheEmerys!).

Here is the official thread over at Folding-community.org:

http://forum.folding-community.org/viewtopic.php?t=8939

For those too lazy to click a link

, here is the initial announcement:

Quote:

Originally Posted by G

Hi,
The v.5.00 client is now on the main download page for Windows and Linux. We'll turn to Macintosh now. Thanks go to all those who helped with testing and giving feedback, which is the main reason it's turned out well. The only changes from the Prerelease are that the release will not expire and that the Windows Console fixes an issue where certain methods of launching the program would result in an improper service install.

The full v.5 change log can be viewed by clicking on the appropriate version number link on the download page ( http://folding.stanford.edu/download.html ).

-Guha

Also, there may be some flag changes. The only one specified in the thread is that -forceSSE is no longer supported because SSE is now the default SIMD instruction set (previously the default for AMD CPUs was 3dNow!).

The official FAQ has not been updated, so stay tuned!

And please post any v.5.00 (and subsequent) issues, comments, etc in this thread so we can keep informed.

Thx!

TheEmrys · Aug 10, 2004, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carramrod01

Another quick newb question. How large on average is a WU are we talking a few MB here or just few hundred KB or what?

I believe the largest WU will be 5 megs in size. Pretty freaking big, to me. But I'm 100 mbit everywhere, so no biggie.

Soulkrusha · Aug 11, 2004, 10:42 AM

Nice !

***Lupine*** · Aug 11, 2004, 11:21 AM

Guys, if you're using Parisioa's service installer for your FAH needs (recommended!), do NOT use the one built-in to the new client. You will end up with multiple services installed.

If you have questions on this topic, please post them in this thread and either I or Parisioa will try to clarify things for you!

Origin · Aug 11, 2004, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lupine

Guys, if you're using Parisioa's service installer for your FAH needs (recommended!), do NOT use the one built-in to the new client. You will end up with multiple services installed.

If you have questions on this topic, please post them in this thread and either I or Parisioa will try to clarify things for you!

Sounds like you're recommending Parisioa's installer over the buil-in one. Care to share more of your experiences and why not to use Stanford's? If there's a lot of machines to take care of, this makes a big difference.

carramrod01 · Aug 11, 2004, 09:58 PM

Do I uninstall FAH 4.0 before installing 5 or just install 5 over 4? Thanks.

TheEmrys · Aug 11, 2004, 10:01 PM

I always uninstall. Less chance of something conflicting. You also won't lose any work, so just go right ahead and get it going. You are wasting cycles, man!

Wow, I started a thread that has been stickied. Color me special.

***Lupine*** · Aug 12, 2004, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Origin

Sounds like you're recommending Parisioa's installer over the buil-in one. Care to share more of your experiences and why not to use Stanford's? If there's a lot of machines to take care of, this makes a big difference.

No, it's just that Parisioa knows where I live ...

I prefer Parisioa's installer for multi-system deployment at this time because I can tweak it to my specific needs and deploy it more quickly.

Tweaking - I install the client several different ways, depending on the specific situation. For example, I run it in a different directory (d:\fah at home, \win32\fah at lab) with different flags (actually, that will now change due to the elimination of the -forceSSE flag) on my home boxes (AMD) than at the lab (Intel). As such, I have two separate copies of the installer on a USB drive. Play and Play baby!

Quick Deploy - If I tried to use my USB drive with the current version of the Stanford installer, It would install onto my USB drive and the service would point to the USB drive as well. With Parisioa's installer, I don't need to do the initial run from the intended destination. This eliminates having to copy the client onto each computer prior to install.

So, the new Stanford installer is FANTASTIC for what it is, but it simply doesn't work as well as what I'm already using. But that certainly doesn't mean that it won't work perfectly for others with different needs.

***Lupine*** · Aug 12, 2004, 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carramrod01

Do I uninstall FAH 4.0 before installing 5 or just install 5 over 4? Thanks.

For the console version, I simply stop the service, delete the old core, and copy the new into the FAH directory, making sure the new core has the same name as the old (I always rename the core FAH.exe).

citywok · Aug 12, 2004, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lupine

For the console version, I simply stop the service, delete the old core, and copy the new into the FAH directory, making sure the new core has the same name as the old (I always rename the core FAH.exe).

just make sure you are using the latest version (its not [email protected] 5, still [email protected] 4 but i updated it last week to work a little bit better)

kovenant · Aug 12, 2004, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parisioa

just make sure you are using the latest version (its not [email protected] 5, still [email protected] 4 but i updated it last week to work a little bit better)

nice, thanx and goodnight

kov

raptora12 · Aug 12, 2004, 02:31 PM

WHAT SHOULD A AMD USER USE?

raptora12 · Aug 12, 2004, 02:38 PM

BigDaddyLugNutz · Aug 17, 2004, 01:00 PM

Just switched to 5.0 -forceSSE is not recognised. Will this result in decreased performance? Thanks

mad · Aug 17, 2004, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDaddyLugNutz

Just switched to 5.0 -forceSSE is not recognised. Will this result in decreased performance? Thanks

no, SSE is now default, so there is no need to force it any longer...

BigDaddyLugNutz · Aug 17, 2004, 04:20 PM

Thankyou M_A_D for lightning fast response.

TheEmrys · Aug 20, 2004, 11:09 PM

Well, in my long and storied history of announcing new clients (this is number 2), I hearby declare that [email protected] version 5.02 has been released. The changes in this release are minimal. This is the only new fix/feature:

5.02:
- Error checking on queue, related to big packet option.

Come and get it here:

http://www.stanford.edu/group/[email protected]

***Lupine*** · Aug 21, 2004, 02:53 PM

Thanks for the update! I'll merge this with your original 5.00 thread after a few days.

Sure wish the client could auto-update itself ...

el barto · Aug 23, 2004, 10:19 PM

Anybody else having a problem with versions 5.00 and above crashing when you go to view the graphical agent?

El Barto

brujeria · Aug 23, 2004, 11:41 PM

yep, and it started out of the blue today, i upgraded to 5.02 and its still doing it, so i just leave it minimized to the taskbar and it works fine.

stikes me as odd for sure.

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TheEmrys Radeon R420 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Northern Colorado Posts: 211	[email protected] 5.xx Official Thread Come and get it folks. Here is the new clients. Win98 support may have evaporated for graphical client. And I truly had problems installing it on Win98 machines. No major changes from the RC. __________________ "The one hope of the doomed is to not to hope for safety."

Aug 10, 2004, 04:09 PM	#3
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Aug 10, 2004, 04:41 PM	#5
TheEmrys Radeon R420 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Northern Colorado Posts: 211	I really like the new interface. All sorts of cool info on it including which core is being used as well as timers for frames and for entire WU. I really like this. __________________ "The one hope of the doomed is to not to hope for safety."

Aug 10, 2004, 07:16 PM	#7
TheEmrys Radeon R420 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Northern Colorado Posts: 211	No, you will be fine. I have installed the new client on 7 machines so far and it picks right up where it was left off. That reminds me, I have another machine to go do. __________________ "The one hope of the doomed is to not to hope for safety."

Aug 10, 2004, 04:02 PM	#2
Pr()ZaC Banned Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Vandelay Industries Posts: 16,729	Link!

Aug 10, 2004, 04:11 PM	#4
Greasy ODI Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: NC Posts: 15,776	Thanks for the heads up.

Aug 10, 2004, 07:11 PM	#6
carramrod01 Come get a taste Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: a little to the left Posts: 2,071	If I install this right now will it erase the WU's I'm currently in the middle of? Sorry, still newb to this

Aug 10, 2004, 07:19 PM	#8
citywok Radeon Caribbean Islands Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 4,486	is there any real benefit? like performance wise?

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Aug 10, 2004, 08:31 PM	#9
TheEmrys Radeon R420 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Northern Colorado Posts: 211	Here are the improvements. I would say that being able to use the new, big 5 meg units would be reason enough. Also, for console users, it now has a service installation option. Good stuff. 5.00: - Collection server support. If a client finishes a work unit from a Work server with this feature enabled, then if 2 upload attempts to that server fail, the client will return to the work unit to a Collection server. Pending credit will be given for the unit, becoming final when the Work server comes back up and verifies what the Collection server has received. All work servers will eventually be associated with a Collection server, and many already are. - Configuration option to allow downloads and uploads greater than 5 MB in size, which some new projects will require due to the size of what they are simulating. - [email protected] configuration option reworded to be "No deadline" option. - Print executable name and launch directory to log. - Fix for bug where queue slot could get stuck "Fetching" - MyFolding links updated. - Configuration option to pause work when the computer is using battery power (for laptops). - Behavior in response to a shutdown or logoff of the system should be improved (exiting nicely). - Console: Built in service installation support through Configuration, to have the program automatically begin at machine startup. If one wishes, the service can be further configured and interacted with through the Services tool (GUI) that can be accessed through the Windows Settings (under Administrative Tools in 2000/NT). The Sc command line tool may also be used. There are known issues with the Net tool. - GUI: Larger window size and more informative display. - GUI: Screensaver configuration option. - GUI: Print a message to FAHlog.txt when ask to network. __________________ "The one hope of the doomed is to not to hope for safety."

Aug 10, 2004, 10:39 PM	#10
carramrod01 Come get a taste Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: a little to the left Posts: 2,071	Another quick newb question. How large on average is a WU are we talking a few MB here or just few hundred KB or what?

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Soulkrusha Radeon Arctic Islands Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Suffolk, VA Posts: 8,265	Nice !

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Aug 11, 2004, 11:21 AM	#14
*Lupine* Administrator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: where I stand Posts: 32,684	Guys, if you're using Parisioa's service installer for your FAH needs (recommended!), do NOT use the one built-in to the new client. You will end up with multiple services installed. If you have questions on this topic, please post them in this thread and either I or Parisioa will try to clarify things for you!

Aug 11, 2004, 09:58 PM	#16
carramrod01 Come get a taste Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: a little to the left Posts: 2,071	Do I uninstall FAH 4.0 before installing 5 or just install 5 over 4? Thanks.

Aug 11, 2004, 10:01 PM	#17
TheEmrys Radeon R420 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Northern Colorado Posts: 211	I always uninstall. Less chance of something conflicting. You also won't lose any work, so just go right ahead and get it going. You are wasting cycles, man! Wow, I started a thread that has been stickied. Color me special. __________________ "The one hope of the doomed is to not to hope for safety."

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BigDaddyLugNutz Bolt action rifle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 668	Thankyou M_A_D for lightning fast response. __________________ Hokey religions and ancient rituals are no match for a good blaster at your side...

Aug 20, 2004, 11:09 PM	#27
TheEmrys Radeon R420 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Northern Colorado Posts: 211	[email protected] 5.02 is out Well, in my long and storied history of announcing new clients (this is number 2), I hearby declare that [email protected] version 5.02 has been released. The changes in this release are minimal. This is the only new fix/feature: 5.02: - Error checking on queue, related to big packet option. Come and get it here: http://www.stanford.edu/group/[email protected] __________________ "The one hope of the doomed is to not to hope for safety."

Aug 21, 2004, 02:53 PM	#28
*Lupine* Administrator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: where I stand Posts: 32,684	Thanks for the update! I'll merge this with your original 5.00 thread after a few days. Sure wish the client could auto-update itself ...

Aug 23, 2004, 10:19 PM	#29
el barto Radon HD 8970 Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 266	Anybody else having a problem with versions 5.00 and above crashing when you go to view the graphical agent? El Barto

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