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Old Sep 18, 2020, 12:35 PM   #301
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Absolutely useless comparison as:
1) Gears 5 was running on higher than PC ultra settings on Series X
2) it was only a port they spent 2 weeks to get running...performance will be much closer to 2080ti.

The settings may have been higher than PC, which slightly benefits the Series X, but the extra features they would also need to add to increase performance are also not on the PC version (like DirectWrite, or whatever it's called).


So in any way the performance is on par with a desktop 2080-2080Ti.
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Free, they pay me, comes with a new car. I don't care.

I'm not excited about mostly old games I played years ago. So that aspect has no real value to me.
Make sure you contact the executives at both EA and Microsoft and let them know they're wasting their time and money because you don't see the value.
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I can't wait for testing between XSX and PS5. Been seeing possible numbers that are putting PS5 even further behind.
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I can't wait for testing between XSX and PS5. Been seeing possible numbers that are putting PS5 even further behind.
I'm sure it'll be within 20% or so. Now way they're going to repeat the power discrepancy of the Xbox one and ps4.
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Wonders. Microsoft really is doing amazing work for bc support. Its a major selling point of their new consoles, I think.
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I'm sure it'll be within 20% or so. Now way they're going to repeat the power discrepancy of the Xbox one and ps4.
It'll probably vary quite a bit from game to game depending on how they use the hardware. The problem PS5 has is it has a slower CPU AND a slower GPU and slower memory bandwidth. The clocks and specs we've been given are the max possible and the PS5 cannot run max CPU and GPU at the same time. This means that the difference will be even more than what's listed for either one. While the PS5 has higher (max) clocks on the GPU it has far less shader cores and the "wider" GPU on the Series X will make more of a difference than the 18% raw compute numbers would indicate. Also, the wider GPU on the Series X makes more of a difference than just increasing clocks does.

Depending on the title and the developer skills I'd say the range will be anywhere from 10% to maybe 40% but that's just a guess on my part.

I know Sony has its proven franchise titles and exclusives but probably all big 3rd party titles will run at higher resolution and/or frame rates on the Series X and some 3rd party titles are HUGE. It's not a big deal to me but it's a big deal to some
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It'll probably vary quite a bit from game to game depending on how they use the hardware. The problem PS5 has is it has a slower CPU AND a slower GPU and slower memory bandwidth. The clocks and specs we've been given are the max possible and the PS5 cannot run max CPU and GPU at the same time. This means that the difference will be even more than what's listed for either one. While the PS5 has higher (max) clocks on the GPU it has far less shader cores and the "wider" GPU on the Series X will make more of a difference than the 18% raw compute numbers would indicate. Also, the wider GPU on the Series X makes more of a difference than just increasing clocks does.

Depending on the title and the developer skills I'd say the range will be anywhere from 10% to maybe 40% but that's just a guess on my part.

I know Sony has its proven franchise titles and exclusives but probably all big 3rd party titles will run at higher resolution and/or frame rates on the Series X and some 3rd party titles are HUGE. It's not a big deal to me but it's a big deal to some
Interesting. I wonder how much the PS5's faster SSD, and possibly the rumored RDNA3-style geometry processing, might compensate for the slower clocks? I'm sure Sony's exclusives will really take advantage of everything in that machine.
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Interesting. I wonder how much the PS5's faster SSD, and possibly the rumored RDNA3-style geometry processing, might compensate for the slower clocks? I'm sure Sony's exclusives will really take advantage of everything in that machine.

Bandwidth requirements get lower as resolution lowers. Since there's about an 18% difference in gpu power ps5 will be using slightly lower resolution/checkerboarding or other upscaling techniques/dynamic resolutions thus requiring a little less bandwidth than the series x in the same games. Also, raytracing demands on the gpu get lower as resolution gets lower as well.
Also keep in mind the main ram pool in the series x operates at two different speeds, complicating things for developers somewhat.
Since the cpus are damn near identical this time around, framerates will be virtually the same with the only real differences in the majority of games being a slightly reduced resolution on the ps5 versions, unless the devs are incompetent or just plain lazy.
Most muitiplatform games will be near identical to the majority of gamers on their tvs, they'll need a digital foundry video with 900% zoom on a postage stamp sized area to see the difference.
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Make sure you contact the executives at both EA and Microsoft and let them know they're wasting their time and money because you don't see the value.
I did. They asked me why I don't personally see value in peggle and plants vs zombies and other games I'm not going to play or have already played and have no replay value.

I'm sure it's a good deal for people. Just does nothing for me, which coincidentally, is the person I would be spending the money on.

You see, when I determine if I'm going to spend something on value it's the value to me and not how you feel about it

After watching EA Play 2020 these kinds of deals might be crucial for their survival. The biggest news was the Skate franchise returning.

I'm sorry you feel the need to find a way to take opinions personal? But not really.

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I did. They asked me why I don't personally see value in peggle and plants vs zombies and other games I'm not going to play or have already played and have no replay value.

I'm sure it's a good deal for people. Just does nothing for me, which coincidentally, is the person I would be spending the money on.

You see, when I determine if I'm going to spend something on value it's the value to me and not how you feel about it

After watching EA Play 2020 these kinds of deals might be crucial for their survival. The biggest news was the Skate franchise returning.

I'm sorry you feel the need to find a way to take opinions personal? But not really.
He's a fanboy and console warrior. He was in the Playstation thread calling Sony scumbags over pre-orders lmfao 😅😅😅.
I agree with you about gamepass, it does absolutely nothing for me personally but if others get value from it, more power to them.
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He's a fanboy and console warrior. He was in the Playstation thread calling Sony scumbags over pre-orders lmfao 😅😅😅.
I agree with you about gamepass, it does absolutely nothing for me personally but if others get value from it, more power to them.
I appreciate your reply. I was confused on what was happening. EA play for me was for sports games. The bulk of subscription value has come from playstation plus. Don't get me wrong, I would love to return to Xbox but the time doesn't seem to be right just yet.
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I appreciate your reply. I was confused on what was happening. EA play for me was for sports games. The bulk of subscription value has come from playstation plus. Don't get me wrong, I would love to return to Xbox but the time doesn't seem to be right just yet.
Sonys exclusives interest me much more than anything the xbox has on the horizon and 3rd parties will be on both machines for the most part and there isn't going to be a really significant difference between the ps5 and series x versions in terms of performance and looks for the most part.
I was considering a series s since i have some mild interest in replaying old xbox 360 games. Then I read the series s, allegedly a "next-gen" system can't even run xbox one games with the same enhancements as the one x, their current and soon to be last gen system ? Umm wtf Microsoft ? Seriously ?
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I appreciate your reply. I was confused on what was happening. EA play for me was for sports games. The bulk of subscription value has come from playstation plus. Don't get me wrong, I would love to return to Xbox but the time doesn't seem to be right just yet.

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I fully believe this is a pathetic tactic from Sony as they have done stuff like this before.
I expect them to keep trickling out small quantities of consoles and making people jump through hoops to get one because they then turn around and use that as marketing to drive even more hype..."hey look! it's sold out everywhere"
IMO they are even more of a scumbag company than Nintendo in this regard
I don't know if I'm ever going to get a Sony console ever again. I haven't bought one since the original Playstation
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Thats his post from the playstation 5 thread for reference 😅😅😅
He's not wrong. Sony trickled out quantities so low that microsoft couldnt compete so they responded by saying console sales aren't a unit of success. So, how are they playing your games then?

Look at how well they have marketed things. The "war" is over who does backwards compatibility the best? This implies a grim view of the future. Maybe we are going full circle back to gameplay over graphics? A turd in hd is just a more horrifying turd.

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He's not wrong. Sony trickled out quantities so low that microsoft couldnt compete so they responded by saying console sales aren't a unit of success. So, how are they playing your games then?

Look at how well they have marketed things. The "war" is over who does backwards compatibility the best? This implies a grim view of the future. Maybe we are going full circle back to gameplay over graphics? A turd in hd is just a more horrifying turd.
Yes, he is. Every console launch I can remember has had limited quantites in the first few rounds of pre-orders with more readily becoming available closer to launch. Every single one. And he threw a conniption fit over it on a forum lol.
And Microsoft started saying console sales arent a measure of success in 2014 or so. You know, when it became obvious that the ps4 was going to run rings around the xbox one in the market in every conceivable way. And they haven't shut about it since.
And now they're releasing a $299 "next-gen" system, taking a big loss on each one sold - while saying console sales don't matter lol!
Xbox pr are masters at talking out of both sides of their mouth lmfao!

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He's not wrong. Sony trickled out quantities so low that microsoft couldnt compete so they responded by saying console sales aren't a unit of success. So, how are they playing your games then?

Look at how well they have marketed things. The "war" is over who does backwards compatibility the best? This implies a grim view of the future. Maybe we are going full circle back to gameplay over graphics? A turd in hd is just a more horrifying turd.
By the way, I was able to pre-order three disk vsrsion ps5's Wednesday, With ease. Because I paid attention. It's what you have to do with every high-demand item now.
Look at pre-orders for the nvidia 3080 this week, hell look at what happens when a shoe with some celebrities name comes out lol.
I haven't decided what to do with the two extra ps5's, I'm definitely keeping one for myself. I'm not a scalper, but the way listings are going on ebay......its tempting lol!
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I thought the pictures were awesome. Isn't going to motivate me to buy an S, but it's still cool nonetheless.
Look at console sales in every generation between Sony and Microsoft since Microsoft entered the console market.
Look at sales numbers and review scores and general consumer reception for playstation exclusives vs xbox exclusives.
Look at hype for the ps5 vs the xbox series x/s.
Just because reality hurts your feelings doesn't mean its trolling.
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Look at console sales in every generation between Sony and Microsoft since Microsoft entered the console market.
Look at sales numbers and review scores and general consumer reception for playstation exclusives vs xbox exclusives.
Look at hype for the ps5 vs the xbox series x/s.
Just because reality hurts your feelings doesn't mean its trolling.
I don't have a dog in this fight. There's no feelings to be hurt. I'm buying them both (ps5 + X).

You're a dense little potato aren't you.
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I don't have a dog in this fight. There's no feelings to be hurt. I'm buying them both (ps5 + X).

You're a dense little potato aren't you.
Potatoes have lots of eyes, enables them to see things very clearly
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This is trolling. There's nothing about my post that solicited this kind of response.

You haven't posted here in nearly 7 years. What prompted you to return and start right in with the console war BS? If this is all you're looking to do you may as well take another extended hiatus.
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This is trolling. There's nothing about my post that solicited this kind of response.

You haven't posted here in nearly 7 years. What prompted you to return and start right in with the console war BS? If this is all you're looking to do you may as well take another extended hiatus.
"Oh my god, someone disagrees with my opinion, it hurts so much, make it stop!"

Grow up and learn that others have different opinions than you and that they have just as much of a right to express them, regardless of how much of a burning sensation in your rectum that causes.

It just never ceases to amaze me how the xbox division continually manages to not focus on the one thing that 99% of gamers buy consoles for - quality games.
Sony/Nintendo understand this, Microsoft has no clue at all regarding it.
No one will buy a system because a picture of its processors was posted somewhere.
Again Sony/Nintendo understand this. Microsoft doesnt.
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The classic response from someone acting like a juvenile telling others to grow up. Nothing that you post is "hurting" me so you can drop that childish diatribe.

I have no problem with you expressing your opinions. If I did I would have been responding to your other previous posts and telling you so. What I do have a problem with is obvious troll posts. "Lol, consumers buy consoles for games not pictures of processors" adds absolutely nothing of value to this thread or any discussion within. Don't try and act like you're not stirring the pot with worthless posts like that. It's the kind of low quality crap I expect to see over on reddit.
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Yes, he is. Every console launch I can remember has had limited quantites in the first few rounds of pre-orders with more readily becoming available closer to launch. Every single one. And he threw a conniption fit over it on a forum lol.
And Microsoft started saying console sales arent a measure of success in 2014 or so. You know, when it became obvious that the ps4 was going to run rings around the xbox one in the market in every conceivable way. And they haven't shut about it since.
And now they're releasing a $299 "next-gen" system, taking a big loss on each one sold - while saying console sales don't matter lol!
Xbox pr are masters at talking out of both sides of their mouth lmfao!
My apologies, my failed attempt at sarcasm via text. You basically covered my sentiments in the rest. Now quit complaining and get your free peggle and battlefield games no one cares about
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The classic response from someone acting like a juvenile telling others to grow up. Nothing that you post is "hurting" me so you can drop that childish diatribe.

I have no problem with you expressing your opinions. If I did I would have been responding to your other previous posts and telling you so. What I do have a problem with is obvious troll posts. "Lol, consumers buy consoles for games not pictures of processors" adds absolutely nothing of value to this thread or any discussion within. Don't try and act like you're not stirring the pot with worthless posts like that. It's the kind of low quality crap I expect to see over on reddit.
The classic response from someone upset that someone else has a different opinion than themselves and just can't take it.
Pointing out that consumers buy consoles for GAMES not processor pictures isnt trolling, it's reality.
Then again maybe Shill Spencer is actually looking forward to seeing the xbox come in dead last in yet another console generation
So, again, grow up or cry in your corner about it, I'm good either way.
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Microsoft purchased Zenimax (Arkane, iD, Bethesda, etc). Huge surprise!
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