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Old Feb 19, 2008, 09:51 AM   #1
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So I'm in the market for a 1 tera hard drive. After some look see, I see that it's really only ~930 gigs of real estate to use. Now, I understand why there is a difference between what's on the box and what I actually get, but seriously, we need a new way of determining space. I mean that's 70 gigs chopped off right there! That's indeed alot of space I could be using
What's next 2 tera's only affording me 1.75 tera's (missing 250 gigs!)???



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Old Feb 19, 2008, 09:54 AM   #2
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Just how big, exactly, is your porn collection?
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Theres a 7% less actual space then is says on the box. Next time keep that number in mind

The formula is 1-(1000^3) / (1024^3)
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Old Feb 19, 2008, 12:12 PM   #4
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Theres a 7% less actual space then is says on the box. Next time keep that number in mind

The formula is 1-(1000^3) / (1024^3)
right, but power of 3 is for giga. for tera you should use power of 4. that would be 10%.
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right, but power of 3 is for giga. for tera you should use power of 4. that would be 10%.
Ah, indeed it is. I guess Razeus is lucky that the drive manufacturers didn't take that into consideration. He would have a 900GB drive right now if they did


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Since when did an 8 bit Byte become base 10? Bytes are just 8 bits, that's it. A "Gigabyte" would therefore be 1,000,000,000 8bit sections. Plus, no hard drive in existance uses "bits" as a measurement, they all use bytes.

The hard drive industry has already been sued over this, massive class action style. Somehow, in all that court action, they managed to wiggle out of having to change how they advertise capacity sizes. They paid up a small chunck of change and went on doing exactly what they got sued for in the first place.
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You're not losing anything.
You got 1,000,000,000,000 bytes did you not?
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not as big as magicknights.
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Look at the General Hardware important info sticky, under 'Hard Drives'


EDIT - I thought you were good with numbers and stuff. and junk.
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I agree with the orig poster, does this problem apply to Flash and SSD's?
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I agree with the orig poster, does this problem apply to Flash and SSD's?
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Look at the General Hardware important info sticky, under 'Hard Drives'


EDIT - I thought you were good with numbers and stuff. and junk.
i am to an extent, but that doesn't mean i'm happy with the way things are being advertised as we move up into higher capacities.
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i am to an extent, but that doesn't mean i'm happy with the way things are being advertised as we move up into higher capacities.
You misunderstand the problem. The problem is all the stupid programs that keep clinging on to kilo-, mega-, giga-, tera-, etc byte as powers of 2. While in science these prefixes denote a power of 10.
A gigawatt is a gigawatt just like a gigabyte is a gigabyte. You are getting what is advertised, that is 10^12 bytes.
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Look at the General Hardware important info sticky, under 'Hard Drives'


EDIT - I thought you were good with numbers and stuff. and junk.

He's a finance guy, stick a dollar sign in front of the numbers and he'd be fine.
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You sir, have insulted my honor! I challenge you to a duel! <glove slap>
No one ever believes me when I say there is absolutely no porn on my computer because I've got less hard drive space on my computer (SCSI=speed, not quantity) than most people have in their MP3 players.
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No one ever believes me when I say there is absolutely no porn on my computer because I've got less hard drive space on my computer (SCSI=speed, not quantity) than most people have in their MP3 players.
where the hell do you store all your wonderful pics?
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I see therein lies the confusion that everyone has. SI prefixes are UNAMBIGUOUSLY defined to be powers of 10. Its use in computer circles for powers of 2 is more of a de facto convention than a ratified standard; binary prefixes on the other hand are a ratified standard. You can use SI prefixes for powers of 2 (not recommended), but only if clearly defined as such; JEDEC advises its members to follow the de facto convention because of marketing reasons, so all JEDEC members (memory manufacturers for the most part), use SI prefixes for powers of 2. But for any other purpose, it means powers of 10 unless specified.
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