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Old Feb 24, 2010, 11:42 PM   #1
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ATI Technologies Rage3D Reviews AMD's ATI Radeon HD 5830 Video Card

Between the AMD Premium Graphics class Radeon HD 5570 and the AMD Enthusiast class Radeon HD 5850 exists a price and performance wasteland. Enter the Cypress LE: AMD's ATI Radeon HD 5830! In this article, we'll take a look at the HD 5830's reference design, to see if its a worthy addition to AMD's Enthusiast class of GPUs.

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Old Feb 24, 2010, 11:54 PM   #2
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Very nice review, once again ATI is delivering the goods! Do like the variations from the different makers, wish ATI would allow that more earlier in their new releases. No matter the price point, it looks like for most folks ATI will be the way to go now and in the near future.
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i dont think the conclusion was accurate at all. It seems u guys are biased, how can u recommend this card when it underperforms a 4890 and yet costs $40 more? i was very disapointed w/ the performance and price of the 5830. Read Anandtech's review, they're much more honest and blunt about how they feel about this card. Glad i got a 5770 instead, the 5830 can't possibly be recommended over a 5850.
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oced you get much better minimals than 5770 but i am kinda happy that i got the 5850.
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i dont think the conclusion was accurate at all. It seems u guys are biased, how can u recommend this card when it underperforms a 4890 and yet costs $40 more? i was very disapointed w/ the performance and price of the 5830. Read Anandtech's review, they're much more honest and blunt about how they feel about this card. Glad i got a 5770 instead, the 5830 can't possibly be recommended over a 5850.
Yup Anands review was spot on imo.
Closer to a 5770 than the 5850 and uses more power than the 5850.
This card has no place, unless they drop the price.
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Thanks for your feedback and opinions, guys. Keep 'em coming!
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more power consumption than 5850, 1120 sp, 56 tmu and still slower than 4890??

not impressed, maybe drivers will play a part?
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This card is over-priced @ $240. I wish Fermi would get here so we could see cards priced competitively. This needs to be a $175-$200 card.
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HD5830 is head to head with HD5770 on Far Cry 2 1920x1200 4xAA
It's based on Anandtech's article: A Filler Card at the Wrong Price.
http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3750&p=5

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Imho,

The pricing probably is more in-tuned to the lack of competition and to offer something between the 5770 and 5850 price-points. Is the DirectX 11 feature set, eye-infinity and other forward looking abilities worth more? I think it is. Then there is the ability to have different 5830's from the AIB's that may have different pricing. There was a gapping hole from between the 5770 and 5850 and this fills it. There may be price adjustments and more flexible choice from AIB's as time passes. Its MSRP is 239 but street pricing in due time may make this much more desirable to the one's nit-picking and some time tweaking the drivers, too.
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Thanks for your feedback and opinions, guys. Keep 'em coming!
Hello, I have a question about the PCIE speed

There were no crossfire tested but I am not sure why the GPU-Z show the card running @ 8x 2.0 instead of @16x 2.0
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Beating out the last gen high end refresh card with a $240 part isnt really feasible.

Obviously the price will lower as the card has more time in market, and its value will increase with AIB bundles. If you get a $50 popular game with it, that you were going to buy anyway (say for example Modern Warfare 2), its then a $180 card. Is it still such bad value?

Saying its slower than the 4890 is missing the entire point of a new generation of DirectX version capable cards. The 4890 can't do eyefinity, or DirectX 11, and is hotter and uses more power, as well as lacking several key HTPC features in addition to missing ATI's new anisotropic filtering algorithms.

If all you care about is current game performance, last generations high end cards at discount prices are always going to be better value for you. If you look forward to new standards and games, then obviously the new generation will be more desirable.

If you're upgrading from a 3-series card or a 8000 series nvidia card, you wouldn't want to stay with last gen tech, especially if you want to have the card for 18-24mo.

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It's not an entirely negative product by any means. It actually does appear to be a good card with a compelling feature set, but the performance is lacking given its price point. If ATi reduces the price, it then becomes a much more compelling product.
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It's not an entirely negative product by any means. It actually does appear to be a good card with a compelling feature set, but the performance is lacking given its price point. If ATi reduces the price, it then becomes a much more compelling product.
In fact, I think it is a good hardware design for ATi to cut the SP and ROP
If today's 5830 is released with 1280SP/32ROP @ around 600mhz Core
I think the oced Performance will be very easily reaching the 5850 level.
Ati underestimated the RV870 core speed scaling between 5850 and 5870.
If they just release a low clock 5830, it will eat up the 5850 market once again.
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i dont think the conclusion was accurate at all. It seems u guys are biased, how can u recommend this card when it underperforms a 4890 and yet costs $40 more? i was very disapointed w/ the performance and price of the 5830. Read Anandtech's review, they're much more honest and blunt about how they feel about this card. Glad i got a 5770 instead, the 5830 can't possibly be recommended over a 5850.
Like Anand, I think the primary issue here is the expected MSRP, not performance - I would have liked to have seen the HD5830 hit a $199 price-point as well. It will be interesting to see how each mfg will approach this challenge, and whether or not the AMD's full DX11 lineup will create enough price competition within itself to force more attractive pricing. With the 5850s still retailing @ ~$300 though, $200 may be a bit optimistic for awhile.
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It's not an entirely negative product by any means. It actually does appear to be a good card with a compelling feature set, but the performance is lacking given its price point. If ATi reduces the price, it then becomes a much more compelling product.
Well if AMD doesn't, hopefully based on sales, the market will. Unfortunately, there will be those who don't research it and simply buy off of the model number.
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I don't remember to well, how did the 4830 compare to the 4770? I thought they stepped all over each others toes?

AMD had a problem last time with their price and products being very close together, it was hard to see benefits of some of them.
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Well if AMD doesn't, hopefully based on sales, the market will. Unfortunately, there will be those who don't research it and simply buy off of the model number.
I agree. If AMD won't price the 5830 competitively, resellers will be forced to do so themselves.

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I don't remember to well, how did the 4830 compare to the 4770? I thought they stepped all over each others toes?

AMD had a problem last time with their price and products being very close together, it was hard to see benefits of some of them.
Right, if nothing else, at least their products have distinctly varying levels of performance this time around.
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Wrong price, and wrong name.
I agree with Anandtech conclusion, if AMD and they AIB's want to sell this card need to be priced at 200$, for 240$ this card make no sense.
The card name is a joke too, performance wise its looks like as a HD5790, and not a HD5830.
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Beating out the last gen high end refresh card with a $240 part isnt really feasible.

Obviously the price will lower as the card has more time in market, and its value will increase with AIB bundles. If you get a $50 popular game with it, that you were going to buy anyway (say for example Modern Warfare 2), its then a $180 card. Is it still such bad value?

Saying its slower than the 4890 is missing the entire point of a new generation of DirectX version capable cards. The 4890 can't do eyefinity, or DirectX 11, and is hotter and uses more power, as well as lacking several key HTPC features in addition to missing ATI's new anisotropic filtering algorithms.

If all you care about is current game performance, last generations high end cards at discount prices are always going to be better value for you. If you look forward to new standards and games, then obviously the new generation will be more desirable.

If you're upgrading from a 3-series card or a 8000 series nvidia card, you wouldn't want to stay with last gen tech, especially if you want to have the card for 18-24mo.

Look for more performance and comparison of the HD 5830 in the near future from Rage3D.



Why is it an 800SP, 40 TMU, 16 ROP, 256-bit, 850mhz part with less bandwidth is outperforming an 1120SP, 56TMU, 16ROP, 256-bit, 800mhz part?

I believe the 5830 should be faster than 4890 and that it was intended to be aswell, benches dont look too bad in the Rage3D review (good job btw) but the ones at anandtech etc look terrible..

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Why is it an 800SP, 40 TMU, 16 ROP, 256-bit, 850mhz part with less bandwidth is outperforming an 1120SP, 56TMU, 16ROP, 256-bit, 800mhz part?

I believe the 5830 should be faster than 4890 and that it was intended to be aswell, benches dont look too bad in the Rage3D review (good job btw) but the ones at anandtech etc look terrible..

drivers perhaps?
Yes, it might be driver. Since the 4870 came out and it now has much polished driver to makes 4870 faster. I guess.
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Forget the 4000 series, that is moving backwards. Moving forward the 5830 looks like a good card but the pricing seems a bit steep. The suggested retail is VERY close to the suggest retail of the 5850.

This card would be a perfect fit right at the $200 price point. The move to price it at $240 is really kind of a bummer. At this price point it is really hard to not say holding off for a 5850. Also if you are using nothing over a 1680x1050 display it is hard to suggest the extra money over the 5770.

IMO if they had price it right at $200 the card would be killer sweet, until then it is a bit overpriced for what you get.
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Bear in mind that different reviewers are using different processors, let it alone if we include 4890 reviews now.

Rage3D has choosen a mainstream one, the Athlon II X4 630, to get more realistic numbers I guess.

For example, maybe my 4890 system is faster or comparable in some case (in GRID I'm also getting minimums above 60 fps, with CnQ enabled to boot, what's not common among my somewhat ancient games; I play it with vSync so I just don't know more), but for sure mine is more expensive.
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Why is it an 800SP, 40 TMU, 16 ROP, 256-bit, 850mhz part with less bandwidth is outperforming an 1120SP, 56TMU, 16ROP, 256-bit, 800mhz part?
This is why, the more shader and texture power, and the more memory BW looks like a waste in most of the games.
With this card AMD really missed the target performance wise, and price wise too.
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Old Feb 25, 2010, 03:42 PM   #29
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A decent enough card, but over-priced from the looks of it (at least in the UK) http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/gra...0-1gb-review/1
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ATI didn't offer anything DirectX 11 that offered around 4890 performance, which was their flag-ship single GPU last generation. This site offers an over-all gauge, not ideal, but personally like the site:

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/h...formancerating

For a modest premium one receives all the strengths of the 5XXX series features with the impressive performance of the 4890. Prices may drop with the flexibility of what the AIB's may offer; as they compete with each other.

There is more choice to consider now from an ATI perspective and there was a hole to fill, so in this respect a very nice product.
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