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Old Feb 4, 2011, 08:14 PM   #1
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Hmm this is a bit wierd:

58xx > 69xx ( Cypress > Cayman )
57xx > 68xx ( Juniper > Barts )
57xx = 67xx ( Juniper > Juniper)
55xx/66xx > 65xx/66xx ( Redwood > Turks )
54xx > 64xx ( Cedar > Caicos )

Did the numbering scheme change just kind of create a hole in the middle of the lineup which was plugged in with the existing Juniper?
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Hmm this is a bit wierd:

58xx > 69xx ( Cypress > Cayman )
57xx > 68xx ( Juniper > Barts )
57xx = 67xx ( Juniper > Juniper)
55xx/66xx > 65xx/66xx ( Redwood > Turks )
54xx > 64xx ( Cedar > Caicos )

Did the numbering scheme change just kind of create a hole in the middle of the lineup which was plugged in with the existing Juniper?
No, it's like this for replacements

5800 replaced by 6900 and 6800
5700 ongoing
5500/5600 replaced by 6500/6600
5400 replaced by 6400

Remember the 5800 series was 5830 at $239, 5850 at $279, 5870 at $379 (intro pricing). Those prices adjusted to $200, $299, $400 after launch.

The 6800 series replaced the 5830 and 5850, with 6850 at $179 and 6870 at $239. The 6900 series replaced the 5870 with the 6950 at $299 and the 6970 at $369.

5700 series hasn't gotten a replacement yet. It intro'd at $109 for the 5750 and $159 for 5770. Prices went up for a long time, only coming down once the GTS 450 hit at $129 and the GTX 460 768 dropped to $169, a year after the 5700's launched.

Now, the Barts chip only exists because of the cancellation of 32mn. Cayman was pulled back to 40nm, and the engineers set to work. Instead of four 32nm chips, they were rumored to offer 5 on 40nm. So we've got Caicos (6400), Turks (6500, 6600), Barts (6800) and Cayman (6900). That's four... and that's all that's in the driver. Blackcomb, Whistler and Seymour are mobility parts.

Juniper in the 5700 has been far away the most popular part. Design wins in lots of OEM's, including Apple, and strong sales in the retail channel. It's cheap to manufacture, high perf/w. It's the cash cow of the 5000 series. It still has strong performance, and the 6850 has price positioning close to where the 5770 was, which doesn't leave much room between the 6670 and the 6850 to put two more cards in as 6700. One product would make more sense, maybe even a further cut down Barts as a 6830.
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oh i see.

Cuz i thought the 6800 series was the successor to the 5700 series.
and the 6900 series was the successor to the 5800 series. I guess in terms of the numbering scheme this is what would make sense.

So to put it mildly, everything is still the same, except theres no 'real' successor to the 5700 series and the 6800 series was more or less an extension to the Cypress series and was created to fill the price gap between the 5700 and 5800 that couldnt be done effectively with the cut down/rushed 5830?
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oh i see.

Cuz i thought the 6800 series was the successor to the 5700 series.
and the 6900 series was the successor to the 5800 series. I guess in terms of the numbering scheme this is what would make sense.

So to put it mildly, everything is still the same, except theres no 'real' successor to the 5700 series and the 6800 series was more or less an extension to the Cypress series and was created to fill the price gap between the 5700 and 5800 that couldnt be done effectively with the cut down/rushed 5830?
Yeah, i thought about this as well.
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