Highend AGP at last!

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loafer87gt

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Well sort of Gainward is releasing a special edition 7800GS card using the pipleine G71 chip and a full 512 megs of video mem. Even running a lower clockspeeds, the card thoroughly trounces the older 16 pipeline card.

I can't wait - I hope it isn't priced too outrageous.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30502

I wonder how it will sell, and I'm curious as whether ATI's partners will step up to the plate and do a 1800 AGp variant.
 
At this point in the game I dont see spending any money on an AGP video card anymore unless its a $50 budget card. Your better off spending the money for a new motherboard and getting a pci express high end card.
 
Bah... AGP is forced onto me because I'm using a SFF and a P4...

Not everyone can afford the 1000 buck laydown to switch... :bleh:

Still stuck with nothing but a X1600Pro... I want cool running... Not something that I can cook egg's on.
 
You PCI-Express elitists can keep your comments to yourself. :) Why would I replace my current dually Xeon system and kickass motherboard with a whole new PCI-Express based system with Conroe, M2, and Vista all coming out and the end of the year? Unlike some of you guys, I'm not too keen on doing two complete platform changes in one year. To buy a new PCI-Express based system that can do everything my current rig can do would cost a pretty penny, so for users like me with otherwise high end systems crippled by slower video cards, news like this is a god send.

God, why all the animosity from you PCI-Express guys towards us folks just trying to get the most out of existing systems?

Its like you guys think that PCI-Express makes your epensu = 8--------->
 
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ristogod said:
Isn't this suppose to be in the "AGP isn't Dead" Forum ?
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you are posting the same comment in every agp thread.
this is the 4th time I have seen this!! :lol: :hmm: :bleh:
 
loafer87gt said:
Well sort of Gainward is releasing a special edition 7800GS card using the pipleine G71 chip and a full 512 megs of video mem. Even running a lower clockspeeds, the card thoroughly trounces the older 16 pipeline card.

I can't wait - I hope it isn't priced too outrageous.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30502

I wonder how it will sell, and I'm curious as whether ATI's partners will step up to the plate and do a 1800 AGp variant.
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get ready to pay $350 for this card. :lol:
 
nomore said:
get ready to pay $350 for this card. :lol:
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Cheaper than $1200 for a pair of new 7205 supporting similarily clocked Nocona Xeons, $350 for a new motherboard, and $500 bucks for another 4 gigs of DDR2 ram, + whatever for a PCI-Express video card. No thanks. Not until my complete overhaul at the end of the year.

I'll stick with the $350 video card and keep all my old existing components which are just as quick.
 
loafer87gt said:
You PCI-Express elitists can keep your comments to yourself. :) Why would I replace my current dually Xeon system and kickass motherboard with a whole new PCI-Express based system with Conroe, M2, and Vista all coming out and the end of the year? Unlike some of you guys, I'm not too keen on doing two complete platform changes in one year. To buy a new PCI-Express based system that can do everything my current rig can do would cost a pretty penny, so for users like me with otherwise high end systems crippled by slower video cards, news like this is a god send.

God, why all the animosity from you PCI-Express guys towards us folks just trying to get the most out of existing systems?

Its like you guys think that PCI-Express makes your epensu = 8--------->
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Ok hehe that explains your opinion on the matter. When most people mention agp system the majority probably don't think about workstation platforms like xeon or dual opterons.
 
nomore said:
get ready to pay $350 for this card. :lol:
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unfortunately with no ATI response to high end AGP, anything nV delivers will be priced as such. Biggest mistake IMHO that ATI has made is not offering at least something of the 1800xl/gto in AGP variety to appease the huge AGP install base.

yeah yeah "just get a $60 pci-e motherboard .." (Asrock Dual SATA comes to mind) .. however 90% of the casual gaming crowd would rather pay a few buck more for a simple 1 card swap (take old AGP out - put new one in) and at most 2-3 reboots and viola .. working system. As opposed to having to remove every pci/agp card, cpu, memory, hdd, cd.. etc .. motherboard then trying to put it all back together praying it works when you turn it on. I'm not even mentioning the B!TCH that is Win2k/XP/2003 etc and new hardware.. sure a pci/agp card or 2 is one thing but different northbridge/southbridge, ide, sata, usb, usb 2.0, iee1394 , lan etc .. tend to throw said OSes into a frenzy.

Sure many of us here can probally do so in our sleep but again Im speaking of the other 90% + of people whose extent of opening a PC is to vaccum the dust bunnies out or reaplce an aging AGP/soundcard or modem. To them the sound of even a $350+ video card sounds a lot better than the hassle (although possibly cheaper) of moving to PCI-e.
 
You would be much better off buying a X1800XT and a cheap pci express motherboard. If the card is that out of whack in price. And dammit no whining about having to reinstall windows, This is a hardware enthusist fourm.
 
AMD_G@y said:
unfortunately with no ATI response to high end AGP, anything nV delivers will be priced as such. Biggest mistake IMHO that ATI has made is not offering at least something of the 1800xl/gto in AGP variety to appease the huge AGP install base.

yeah yeah "just get a $60 pci-e motherboard .." (Asrock Dual SATA comes to mind) .. however 90% of the casual gaming crowd would rather pay a few buck more for a simple 1 card swap (take old AGP out - put new one in) and at most 2-3 reboots and viola .. working system. As opposed to having to remove every pci/agp card, cpu, memory, hdd, cd.. etc .. motherboard then trying to put it all back together praying it works when you turn it on. I'm not even mentioning the B!TCH that is Win2k/XP/2003 etc and new hardware.. sure a pci/agp card or 2 is one thing but different northbridge/southbridge, ide, sata, usb, usb 2.0, iee1394 , lan etc .. tend to throw said OSes into a frenzy.

Sure many of us here can probally do so in our sleep but again Im speaking of the other 90% + of people whose extent of opening a PC is to vaccum the dust bunnies out or reaplce an aging AGP/soundcard or modem. To them the sound of even a $350+ video card sounds a lot better than the hassle (although possibly cheaper) of moving to PCI-e.
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you are right about agp cards being overpriced because ati didn't release something to compete with nvidia's cards.

I amn't telling anybody to go pci-e.
if you don't have the money or don't want to upgrade your computer or even don't want to get a brand new computer, then don't do it.
save your money.

so that you can upgrade when directx 10 cards come around or just pay 300-400 bucks for an agp card.
whatever suits your budget, just go with that and not question your decision.

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Actually, more like ~$478.00, if that price of €400 Euros (mentioned in that same Inquirer article) is correct. :hmm:
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I didn't want to point that out. so thanx for making the card even more expensive :lol: :lol: :hmm: :nag:
 
Nascar24 said:
You would be much better off buying a X1800XT and a cheap pci express motherboard. If the card is that out of whack in price. And dammit no whining about having to reinstall windows, This is a hardware enthusist fourm.
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Dont forget to buy Ram and a CPU.....
 
Sasquach said:
Dont forget to buy Ram and a CPU.....
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Not for most people, I wouldnt buy either as I allready have both that are good enough, And if its a money thing there is no need to do either of these. Ive been tempted myself latly but Im holding off for DX10 and probably R600. And of coarse its looking like Conroe unless AMD is able to match it. What is really misleading with the X2 processors is that the 3800+ is really slower than my current single core 3400+. Unless your doing alot of multi tasking the X2 thing just doesnt compute in its current form.
 
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Well I have just had a reversal of pro-AGP policy. Up until today, if I had been able to buy a decent Radeon AGP card, I would have bought it without hesitation, but the only AGP card available where I am is the plain X1300. I even ordered one of the last X850 Pro cards, but it was DOA.

Just tonight I was playing a game on my computer with it's nearly 4 year old Nforce2 mainboard. The machine throughout it's life has been 100% reliable, but it spontaneously re-booted and is now exhibiting unstable behaviour - reboots, phantom power-ups, etc. Checked absolutely everything else including the case hardware and indeed my mainboard is stuffed.

So I have no choice now. I've just ordered an Athlon 3700+ E6 stepping, A8N-E mainboard and an ASUS X1600XT Silent. A fairly solid middle-of-the-road setup, as have been all my setups in the past. I'll re-use everything else.

I sort of feel quite relieved actually. Had I spent the money on a good AGP card, my board still probably would have died, rendering the card useless. And now I no longer have to agonise over a lack of choice regarding video cards. There are heaps to choose from.

I still would have been happy with a fast, working AGP card in my old machine, assuming the old machine remained reliable. But I guess that is the point. These cards are going into old machines and you just never know when they are going to bite the dust. I still absolutely support those who want to get a good Radeon AGP card into their old machine - I haven't changed my stance there - but for those wanting one they should realise that only one thing needs to go wrong with their existing equipment and the new card becomes useless.
 
everytime someone talks about buying AGP cards someone says buy a cheap pci-board, ram and cpu....... I went from 9800pro to 6800GS and wouldnt think twice to recomend that kind of upgrade for similar users, specially if you play at 1280x1024 :rolleyes:
 
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