ATI: Another Month - No TV Tuner Drivers?

cromwell

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Judging by the limited traffic on the Multimedia Forum lately, I guess this question answers itself. In any case, does anyone know if ATI has dropped support for the HD600, HD650 and HD750 TV Tuners? This is the second month in a row with no new drivers issued for any of these cards.

I know several of the old regulars have moved on to other brands since the digital transition, but there are still some of us that regularly still use these cards including DA1745, paulgo, me, and others.

How could one find out if any new drivers are planned for the future, and/or if ATI has dropped support completely?
 
I think the best way to find the important drivers for your all devices is modrv.com. You can find all the necessary drivers over here.
 
Hopefully they are working on better drivers. When they were doing monthly releases many of the releases were the same drivers just repackaged with a different date.
 
Generally in the past you were looking the at the mce atimcenc.dll, & 2 Avivo files: atimpenc.dll & atixcode.dll, + the 64 bit versions for a possible total of 6 files -- the other 2 main driver files, atinpprr.ax & atinavrr.sys were updated much less frequently. 2 [or 4 with 64 bit] newer Avivo files were included in the 10.6 leaked beta I believe. If I remember correctly the theater drivers were up for a short time for 10.5, then stopped working, then they were de-listed -- read somewhere that they'd broken them with 10.5, causing serious problems so they pulled them.

Personally I've always noticed more of a difference from the above 3 [or 6] files + the graphics drivers than I have from updating the 2 main driver files, but that's me.

This forum section is/has been quiet... Just my opinion but with very few channels avail for clear QAM capture/viewing [except with very expensive cards or the Hauppauge box], the whole TV capture/viewing crowd has died down considerably.
 
Hi mikiem: I do believe you are correct about the decline of TV Tuner cards and their overall value in computers. The digital change over and the rise of online streaming tv programs are making the low end cards obsolete.

Meanwhile, we can only wait for new technology to be introduced.
 
,,,If I remember correctly the theater drivers were up for a short time for 10.5, then stopped working, then they were de-listed -- read somewhere that they'd broken them with 10.5, causing serious problems so they pulled them.

This forum section is/has been quiet... Just my opinion but with very few channels avail for clear QAM capture/viewing [except with very expensive cards or the Hauppauge box], the whole TV capture/viewing crowd has died down considerably.
Well, it's completely dependent on your cable company and your location. I'm happy with what I get in Clear QAM (though they seem to re-map just to mess up our line-ups 8-( periodically and for no other reason),
Also, with these cards (NTSC - Side) I'm able to also pipe in and record premium / paid content on the F-type connection - and though it's not HD it's super clear. If there truly was a lack of interest I think we'd see a rapid decline in Hauppauges, Avermedia and HD Homeruns prices, but other than ATI clearing out there cards as they transition out of this area I see no other signs of a slow down.

Judging by the limited traffic on the Multimedia Forum lately, I guess this question answers itself. In any case, does anyone know if ATI has dropped support for the HD600, HD650 and HD750 TV Tuners? This is the second month in a row with no new drivers issued for any of these cards.
I know several of the old regulars have moved on to other brands since the digital transition, but there are still some of us that regularly still use these cards including DA1745, paulgo, me, and others.
How could one find out if any new drivers are planned for the future, and/or if ATI has dropped support completely?

Hi mikiem: I do believe you are correct about the decline of TV Tuner cards and their overall value in computers. The digital change over and the rise of online streaming tv programs are making the low end cards obsolete.
Meanwhile, we can only wait for new technology to be introduced.
I hadn't really thought about it in that way that you both suggested in the above posts, but while I do agree that the online streaming traffic has exploded, I don't think that in ANY way has lessened the desire for HTPC or these cards. The main problem with online viewing is you have to be online. I guess that there are probably rippers to snag the video, i've done it with smaller You-tube files.
But I want absolute domination :evil: over my TV shows . I want to record them and re-encode them (if i chose) transfer them and watch them on whatever media where-ever-whenever I want. I do not like being forced to be online. If the media can be snagged from the streaming sites so i can have a copy to play (when it conveint to me... and when their site isn't having a conflict with my browser or adobe shockwave or flash etc.) then maybe i need to spend more time looking into that.
It's totally OCD ish because I now posess more TV shows and movies than i could ever watch in my life but if i don't have a copy of it I'm unhappy...:nuts: I know!!!

I think more well traveled sites that came into prominance are what has made these threads ( a bit like a ghost town ). The Green Button is where I have to post now if I want to get things figured out on cards from the last few years, it's phenominally busy. AVSforum took huge chunk of regular posters away from here years back, though many have migrated to TGB and others from there as well. But I like this site so I keep coming back.

I think when the successors to the disasterous ATI OCUR cable cards actually start arriving (Cable Cards tuners for the PC - open to compatible systems) and the price starts dropping thanks to the early adopters, they will be an enormous smash hit. Paving the way for not just watching, but recording SD & HD (basic, extended and paid cable shows). There are a lot of horses in the race but none as of yet seem to be able to deliver. Hauppauge had said in 2009 but 2010 is half over, Ceton keeps pushing it's date (maybe they hoped to steal the thunder from the others but pushing the release date back months & then now open ended is not a great move & it's expensive $399 4 channel cable card system), and no date from Silicon Dust but they have an email list you can sign up for. SDust has up'ed there's setup from a two to a three channel cable card system (originally they were pricing the dual at $256 that would be nice if it stayed there). If you can get a cable card for $2-4 bucks and do away with the $10 STB the tuner (if you allow yourself to use fuzzy math logic ) starts to pay for itself as long as it lasts say 3-5 years depending on all the costs. LOL - Fuzzy Math = "...it's like your LOSING money not buying one of these!"
 
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I think the best way to find the important drivers for your all devices is modrv.com. You can find all the necessary drivers over here.
Randy, the problem is that they haven't created the drivers yet.... I wish an open source community had developed ( like the OMEGA folks) except for the ATI TV tuner side of things, back in the MMC days to present. :drool:

The problem basically is the tuner drivers were working (TV Wonder 9.3), then ATI or Windows changed something and now it's not working (for SOME aparently a minority of us), and they haven't fixed it.
When I got my W7 (TV Wonder 650 fixed - ie both tuners working independently) by following the advise to go back to the 9.3 drivers of Vista I didn't want to re-install what was broken to submit a report. SO i never did??? I don't know how many did? Perhaps they don't know the extent of the problems = or = they simply don't care. look how long it took them before they officially released the problematic "official" drivers for W7.

Hopefully they are working on better drivers. When they were doing monthly releases many of the releases were the same drivers just repackaged with a different date.
I hope to too. Every so often i run into an error that I wonder if it's driver related, but its hard to say. The TV pack caused a lot of problems with some of it's updates too.

Cromwell, what problems are you experiencing right now that you are looking for new drivers?
I've looked to the past as ATI often forces us to do and by using the older drivers have had pretty good results with TV Wonder 650 9.3 drivers and modern Catalyst Display Drivers (10.6).
 
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Hello DA: Always nice to read your posts. Currently, I have a 5770 with my good old 650 PCI running the Cat 10-3 display driver and the Tuner driver respectively. I'm using CMC 1.0.4310 and I'm able to pick up both the CableOne analog feed and the 6 channels of the HD local channels without much problem. Of course, I have to change the TV signal to get one or the other, I doubt I'll ever get both at the same time with this card.

For me, not being much of an avid regular TV watcher, it works well because I am an avid sports watcher which is mostly shown in local HD. I guess ESPN HD is about all I really miss.

You keep up the good work though. I learn a bit from your posts. mikiem and Agustus seem to have moved on and I can't blame them. I honestly think computer TV Tuners have reached a plateau. It will take some newer tecnology to bring it back.
 
The new tech tools are here. Massive storage. HDTV crystal clear OTA. Really fast CPUs to transcode. Tiny low power/heat usb TV sticks. All of this stuff costs peanuts. (first gen AIW cards were >$500)

For things to prosper, buggy troublesome products and drivers have to disappear. ATI is doing more to chase people away than to entice them. Every ATI AIW device I've owned has taken a long time to get mature drivers. Some never did. Looks like the 750 series may be orphaned already.

For the first time in my life I can watch/record perfect TV on a computer wherever I have a signal.
 
I haven't had one problem in Windows 7 with an ATi TV Wonder HD 650 pci-e, It gets both analog and Clear QAM with out any issues. I don't install any drivers and let windows update pick them up. What OS are you all using?
 
I haven't had one problem in Windows 7 with an ATi TV Wonder HD 650 pci-e, It gets both analog and Clear QAM with out any issues. I don't install any drivers and let windows update pick them up. What OS are you all using?
If things were more lively we could have had this thing possibly narrowed down & or been able to give ATI the details needed for them to do a pin point fix.

Here's what I know: In some Windows 7 Setups the Windows driver installation does not happen. In others when attempting to use and install the ATI drivers for the TV Wonder 650 (PCI-E) combo <dual tuner> cards from their site for Windows 7. A problem develops and Windows Media Center treats the card like it is a Hybrid single tuner card.

http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/t/88079.aspx?PageIndex=1

I use both Vista Ultimate & Windows 7 with these cards. I've had to use older vista drivers in Windows 7 to get the dual tuners functionality back.

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It would be nice if this thread was lively, we could get enough pictures of cards that have no isses and (top & Bottom) and be able to compare them to cards that have issues. Quit possibly they have changed or updated a some component on these boards. Perhaps the offerings from Visiontek (my cards) are slightly different than the Diamond versions and that is causing the problem. Seems like those having the issue are not numerous enough for ATI to get on it faster.
 
Frak if I didn't develop a problem on my W7 machine.

Frak if I didn't develop a problem on my W7 machine.

So a few weeks ago I started getting can't record errors, and missed recordings on my HD channels.
I'm using W7 Catalyst 10.# and TV Wonder 9.3 drivers in order to be able to get both my tuners to work simultaneously.
Charter a few weeks back decided to remap there Clear QAM lineup again (I think they do it just to fark with freebie users of that like me). Anyway, Windows Media center no longer natively detects and mapps to the correct channel information ANY Clear QAM channels. Oh, there - there, because when I add one in suddenly they are all there in the edit channels lineup - all un-enabled. I'm pretty fast at mapping and adding in all the channels now that i've done it so many times, but always before at least a few of the channels mapped automatically sometimes as many as 18 +/-. Well after Charter re-mapped things - if i don't have my HD Tuner up and running it won't record the program. I've found that when I start Live TV and click on an HD channel it gives me a tuner unsupported error until I change the channel then everything is fine and recordings will take place.

The cheap a$$ work around that usually works is if I set something to record 1/2 or 1 hour before what I want to watch then the act of changing the channel it has to do solves the problem. But it's un-reliable and I'm back to being frustrated. With my luck it could have been a new update or some other simultaneous occurance that I didn't catch but it happened right after the Remapping so ??? Hoping that WMC will be able to detect and map something one of these days if Titan catches up... hopefully that will correct things.

Otherwise I may have to dive in & see if ATI has Fixed anything in the current TV Wonder drivers for people like me that were getting there (true) dual tuner cards only operating as either or.
 
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