Mobility 9600 official stock clock speeds??

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Does anyone know what the official stock clock speeds are for the Mobility 9600? I've heard all kinds of different numbers and now I have no idea what to believe.

I've seen numbers ranging from 344/209 to 350/283.
 
Questions asked by me (rinthos), answered by Chris Hook (ati):
(In Regards to the Ati radeon mobility 9600):

Q. What constitutes PRO, and what constitutes TURBO
Every review site gives a different reason. I.e. Gpu must be 333mhz, gpu must be 350mhz, gpu must be 300mhz?

A. Good question. If it has 333 MHz engine clocks or higher, a 128-bit mem interface and at least 64MB VRAM, its a PRO. If it has all that and 128MB or higher of VRAM, it's a PRO TURBO.

When ananadtech did their Preview/review of the 9600, they were told that 350mhz or higher = Pro. This was obviously changed.
In regards to the "official" speeds for the non-pro, none have been made available. OEMs have the option to clock them at WHATEVER THEY SEE FIT.
If they want to call them pros, they MUST clock them at AT LEAST 333mhz.

What I do know is that the SLOWEST 9600 I've seen thus far is the Hp nc6000 with 250mhz core and the 194-197mhz memory. This is true on both the 64-bit memory configuration (32mb ram) and the 128-bit memory configuration (64mb of ram). This is a NON-pro version.

Being the owner of an nc6000, It is an AWESOME notebook, HOWEVER, it is _NOT_ designed for gamers. I'm sure Kingsx would agree with me that the slow gpu just doesn't do it's duty at 250mhz. That's probably why he went with the nc8000 :) 333mhz gpu.
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rinthos said:
Questions asked by me (rinthos), answered by Chris Hook (ati):
(In Regards to the Ati radeon mobility 9600):

Q. What constitutes PRO, and what constitutes TURBO
Every review site gives a different reason. I.e. Gpu must be 333mhz, gpu must be 350mhz, gpu must be 300mhz?

A. Good question. If it has 333 MHz engine clocks or higher, a 128-bit mem interface and at least 64MB VRAM, its a PRO. If it has all that and 128MB or higher of VRAM, it's a PRO TURBO.

When ananadtech did their Preview/review of the 9600, they were told that 350mhz or higher = Pro. This was obviously changed.
In regards to the "official" speeds for the non-pro, none have been made available. OEMs have the option to clock them at WHATEVER THEY SEE FIT.
If they want to call them pros, they MUST clock them at AT LEAST 333mhz.

What I do know is that the SLOWEST 9600 I've seen thus far is the Hp nc6000 with 250mhz core and the 194-197mhz memory. This is true on both the 64-bit memory configuration (32mb ram) and the 128-bit memory configuration (64mb of ram). This is a NON-pro version.

Being the owner of an nc6000, It is an AWESOME notebook, HOWEVER, it is _NOT_ designed for gamers. I'm sure Kingsx would agree with me that the slow gpu just doesn't do it's duty at 250mhz. That's probably why he went with the nc8000 :) 333mhz gpu.
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Then why in the world did HP even bother using the 9600 in the nc6000 BEFORE using it in one of their consumer notebooks like the X1000 or zt3000? This just doesn't make any sense to put a gaming card in a business notebook before putting it in consumer level notebooks. Oh well, I may consider the nc8000 but I thought the nc6000 was pricey so I'll probably just wait until someone releases a notebook I like with the 9600.

Thanks for the info! It clears up a lot of stuff.
 
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Then why in the world did HP even bother using the 9600 in the nc6000 BEFORE using it in one of their consumer notebooks like the X1000 or zt3000? This just doesn't make any sense to put a gaming card in a business notebook before putting it in consumer level notebooks. Oh well, I may consider the nc8000 but I thought the nc6000 was pricey so I'll probably just wait until someone releases a notebook I like with the 9600.
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Oh the Compaq Presario R3000T (now called dedicated version) was made prior to the nc6000. It was released after, however. Probably used the benchtesting results from the R3000T in terms of probs with drivers/gpu interface etc, in order to help them resolve problems for the nc6000 and the nc8000 systems. Just becaues something was made available to purchase doesn't mean demo models were completed first :)

Second thing, graphics cards like the 9600 aren't strictly "gaming cards". Sure that's where they are boasted about most, but look at all the nice DVD quality features, power saving (powerplay) features, refresh-rate reduction features, etc. All done to boost battery life.
Thus for the nc6000, it seems logical for it to be clocked so slow. Not a lot of space, limited cooling, and great battery life with lower power consumption.

Finally, yes, the nc6000 and nc8000 are overpriced in my book, as are the ibm notebooks.
But in reality, you do get what you pay for.
With ibm, as with these two hp/compaq systems, you gain 3 year warranty (minimum), and of course, speedy call center access (for business clients, thus you get shorter hold times etc).
The systems are as such, geared toward businesses. Not only that, the "leasing options" definately point to businesses out there.

If you're looking for a widescreen notebook, I'd check out gateway (Although you say the screws used seem to be an issue to deal with), otherwise, dell's inspiron 8600 is a nice catch.

System specs for a dell 8600:
1.5ghz P-M
15.4" WXGA Screen
Winxp Home
512mb (2 dimms) of 333mhz DDR
128mb Ati Mobility Radeon 9600 Pro Turbo
DVD+RW/+R combo drive
60Gb 7200rpm drive
72 WHr battery
10/100 nic +56k modem
6 months free aol,
Dell Security Software (Anti-virus + firewall)
Musicmatch Jukebox edition.
Swappable floppy drive.
65w AC Adapter.
1 year mail-in service + 1 year phone support.

Cost: 2006.00 - $150.00 mail-in = 1856.00

That's not a bad deal at all :)
 
rinthos said:
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Then why in the world did HP even bother using the 9600 in the nc6000 BEFORE using it in one of their consumer notebooks like the X1000 or zt3000? This just doesn't make any sense to put a gaming card in a business notebook before putting it in consumer level notebooks. Oh well, I may consider the nc8000 but I thought the nc6000 was pricey so I'll probably just wait until someone releases a notebook I like with the 9600.
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Oh the Compaq Presario R3000T (now called dedicated version) was made prior to the nc6000. It was released after, however. Probably used the benchtesting results from the R3000T in terms of probs with drivers/gpu interface etc, in order to help them resolve problems for the nc6000 and the nc8000 systems. Just becaues something was made available to purchase doesn't mean demo models were completed first :)

Second thing, graphics cards like the 9600 aren't strictly "gaming cards". Sure that's where they are boasted about most, but look at all the nice DVD quality features, power saving (powerplay) features, refresh-rate reduction features, etc. All done to boost battery life.
Thus for the nc6000, it seems logical for it to be clocked so slow. Not a lot of space, limited cooling, and great battery life with lower power consumption.

Finally, yes, the nc6000 and nc8000 are overpriced in my book, as are the ibm notebooks.
But in reality, you do get what you pay for.
With ibm, as with these two hp/compaq systems, you gain 3 year warranty (minimum), and of course, speedy call center access (for business clients, thus you get shorter hold times etc).
The systems are as such, geared toward businesses. Not only that, the "leasing options" definately point to businesses out there.

If you're looking for a widescreen notebook, I'd check out gateway (Although you say the screws used seem to be an issue to deal with), otherwise, dell's inspiron 8600 is a nice catch.

System specs for a dell 8600:
1.5ghz P-M
15.4" WXGA Screen
Winxp Home
512mb (2 dimms) of 333mhz DDR
128mb Ati Mobility Radeon 9600 Pro Turbo
DVD+RW/+R combo drive
60Gb 7200rpm drive
72 WHr battery
10/100 nic +56k modem
6 months free aol,
Dell Security Software (Anti-virus + firewall)
Musicmatch Jukebox edition.
Swappable floppy drive.
65w AC Adapter.
1 year mail-in service + 1 year phone support.

Cost: 2006.00 - $150.00 mail-in = 1856.00

That's not a bad deal at all :)
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I've considered the Dell but I'm concerned about the build quality. It's bigger then both the X1000 and zt3000 and I heard it squeaks (feels flimsy) when you pick it up.

Maybe I'll go to the mall and take a first hand look at one.

Thanks,
 
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I've considered the Dell but I'm concerned about the build quality. It's bigger then both the X1000 and zt3000 and I heard it squeaks (feels flimsy) when you pick it up.

Maybe I'll go to the mall and take a first hand look at one.

Thanks,
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Cousins own them, one has 5650 nvidia gpu, other has ati 9600 pro turbo.
never heard the sounds when picking it up, that's a new one.


But if you are truly picky in terms of build quality, then you, sir, have only 1 option.
IBM.
Check out the R50p (with the Fire Gl T2 128mb (same as the 9600 pro, but with certified driver support, woohoo).
OR check out the ibm T41p (same gpu, slightly slower).

R50p = 15" screen with larger keyboard etc.
T41p = 14" screen, more mobile.

Rock solid, but royally expensive.
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Rinthos wrote: "Being the owner of an nc6000, It is an AWESOME notebook, HOWEVER, it is _NOT_ designed for gamers. I'm sure Kingsx would agree with me that the slow gpu just doesn't do it's duty at 250mhz. That's probably why he went with the nc8000 333mhz gpu."

Without a doubt... as well as the fact that the nc8000 has a really nice WVA screen.


BTW, there is a post/response by bargainhunter at

http://notebookforums.com/


that has an link to an ATI insider doc that list all the specs and market segmentation of the 9600 mobility.... a really good read and I think rinthos may be quoting part of it.... he's right on.


BTW, I would have LOVED the nc6000 if a 9600 128mb mobility pro had been an option... it's a really sweet compact design that would have made a nice 'sleeper' gaming laptop with the 9600 pro...


But i do dig my nc8000... ordered a spare multi-bay battery! Will add to the weight sure (when I use it) but the idea of 10 HOURS with two 8-cell batteries is just incredible....
 
Actually got the info from Chris Hook on www.x1000forums.com

We posted back and forth for an hour or so, and I asked the question about the M10 gpus :)

It seems the issue with the memory clock > 240 to earn the "turbo" name was abandoned (at least according to Chris).

Real notebooks using the Turbo brand also seem to have slower mem than 240mhz. :)

Thanks for that link though, definately glad to have seen it!!!!
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The new e-machines m6805 & 6807 look good, have 9600/64mb... dunno if it's a pro card... but the price is right !:)

... and it's the 64amd athlon3000+/2gig !!:cool:
 
I have a hyperdata athlon 64 3200 laptop and the radeon m10p in it runs at 350mhz core and 203mhz ram. Dunno if thats any help or not.
 
interesting indeed

mine was a pro card at 350/250, but according to the specs it's a pro turbo?

Anyhow not a big deal anymore
 
Folks,

I thought I'd add my two cents...

My T42p (2373GRU) with FireGL T2 w/128MB is clocked at 317.25 core and 202.50 memory. I can successfully overclock the core up to/close to 350.00. If I o/c the memory above 247.00 I get a corrupted screen. As for the specs of the ThinkPads I've tested and benchmarked:

T42p (2373GRU) - FireGL T2 w/128MB - 317.25 core/202.50 memory 3DMark01=8947 3DMark03=2517
T41p (2373GEU) - FireGL T2 w/128MB - 317.25 core/202.50 memory
T42 (2373CYU) - MR9600 w/64MB - 317.25 core/209.25 memory 3DMark01=9377 3DMark03=2465
R50p (233223U) - FireGL T2 w/128MB - 317.25 core/203.00 memory

The T42 and T42p are Dothan 1.8GHz systems. The T41p and R50p are 1.7GHz Banias systems. All T41/T41p/T42/T42p use identical main boards and chipsets and memory. The only difference is the CPU and varying screen sizes (15" UXGA or 15" SXGA+ or 14.1" SXGA+, the 15" models being Flexview-IPS Technology).

BTW, the above scores were using the latest drivers from IBM as part of the factory preload of software, etc. No overclocking or modding. Straight out of the box, if you will. :) As for the T41p and R50p scores, they were all well within 2% of the T42p scores, as they all use the same GPU and the Dothan has only a minimal effect on the results, in my experience.

Take care,
Conmee
 
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