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Navi 7nm GPUs/Ryzen 3 announcments at Computex 2019?
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NWR_Midnight
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Release Date: About 2 years after RTX 2080ti
Performance and features: Less than RTX 2080ti
Price: ??? could be its only advantage
Navi 21 is rumored to be twice as fast as Navi 10 (5700 xt) which means it will be faster if true. Some of the articles say on par with the Nivdia's High end turing GPU's, but if you look up benchmarks with both the 5700 xt and the 2080ti in them, if you double the 5700 xt results, those numbers are about 20% faster than the 2080ti.
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/6954...tails-twice-fast-radeon-rx-5700-xt/index.html
https://hothardware.com/news/amd-radeon-rx-navi-21-gddr6-rdna-2
https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-navi-21-gpu-2x-performance-5700-xt-die-size-rumor/
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Megaman
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if you don't hope it is true you must just love over paying for NV crap
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https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-navi-21-gpu-2x-performance-5700-xt-die-size-rumor/
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https://wccftech.com/amd-ces-2020-keynote-high-performance-computing/
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NWR_Midnight
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Funny you picked that part of my quote, ignored and removed the rest just so you could post that. Good example of seeing only what you want to see.
LordHawkwind
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Unfortunately twice as fast as the 5700XT is rather non-descriptive. Twice as fast in what? There's no comparators in that article to make any judgements whatsoever it's just complete made up bull**it.
the press conference is on January 6th so 4 days and we may know more
NWR_Midnight
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I don't know.. I took the term rumor as just that, a rumor. which means that if the rumor is true, it is twice as fast as the Navi 10, which is the 5700XT means if the 5700XT does 50 fps in a game, the Navi 21 will do 100 FPS.. unless I fail at math.. I mean, what kind of descriptive argument are you looking for in rumor?
Nagorak
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Is there any reason to believe AMD can't make a chip twice as fast as the 5700XT? Isn't the 5700XT a fairly small die?
In terms of power consumption, if they add a lot more pipelines then they could run it at lower frequency which will bump up efficiency a ton. The last couple hundred MHz of frequency just blows out power consumption. It's true on both AMD and Nvidia (why you can get only minimally reduced performance if you set the power slider to 80 or 90% on a Geforce), but AMD is encountering it more since they're running their hardware closer to the edge.
So, anyway, that's a long winded way of saying that they could create a product that stays within reasonable power consumption, even with no other efficiency improvements.
In terms of power consumption, if they add a lot more pipelines then they could run it at lower frequency which will bump up efficiency a ton. The last couple hundred MHz of frequency just blows out power consumption. It's true on both AMD and Nvidia (why you can get only minimally reduced performance if you set the power slider to 80 or 90% on a Geforce), but AMD is encountering it more since they're running their hardware closer to the edge.
So, anyway, that's a long winded way of saying that they could create a product that stays within reasonable power consumption, even with no other efficiency improvements.
LordHawkwind
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Nagorak why do people keep falling for the AMD hype train? It was the same with the Fury Launch then Vega and when neither lived up to expectation everyone felt deflated. I think AMD's priorities in 2020 are as follows;
1. PS5 and Xbox Series X Soc's.
2. Zen 3.
3. Big Navi.
All resources will be utilised bringing 1 & 2 to market and 3 will probably miss it's launch date (sounds familiar?) and may slip to H1 2021. MS & Sony will be paying AMD to make sure their products launch on time and AMD can't afford to f**k that up. AMD also need Zen 3 to keep the pressure on Intel whilst they have the node advantage.
AMD are gaining market share in the d-GPU arena with their mid range cards that are out performing the similar NV cards at a better price point. If they do actually bring out a big Navi that beats a 2080ti not only will it be two years late but it will be in short supply and probably cost >$£800. At that price I'd rather buy an Xbox X series and not bother upgrading my GPU for a couple of more years.
I think everything both AMD & NV is just a stopgap till they get some form of a MCM GPU working
and they can both force the game developers to support it as most all new cards will be using it
and they can both force the game developers to support it as most all new cards will be using it
Team green could be a contender fo sho :D
Nagorak
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I'm just saying based on current Navi it is not inconceivable that AMD could bring out a card that beats the 2080 Ti. It could be it's not their main priority--it remains to be seen--but if they wanted to, there's no reason to believe they couldn't, just based on current technology on display.
Personally, I don't see why AMD would not want to compete in GPUs too? It is one of their main business units. Even if they're doing well in CPUs right now, they need to be planning for a day where that's not the case, so they can't just abandon GPUs. There's also a lot of crossover with the gaming consoles, so much of their R&D is already covered. Using what they are developing for the consoles to create a high end gaming card doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
People take Fury and Vega being bad as signs that AMD can't compete or doesn't want to compete. In my opinion. it's just they were starved for resources because the CPUs were sucking and they were struggling to avoid going out of business. Now since that has turned around, I believe it's likely their performance in GPUs will turn around, too. Navi already looks a lot better than Vega ever did.
In any case, we'll just have to wait and see.
pax
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AMD owns way too much GPU ip to not make use of it. Its not just for gaming pro uses are increasingly making use of GPUs. So theres 2 fairly big markets to go after. It may take a couple more cycles for AMD to catch up to Nvidia now that it has some money but I dont doubt they can and will as long as the CPU biz keeps on humming.
they will be back on the GPU side .
they got Ryzen cooking with gas now they are at 40% market share on the CPU side and will most likely be at 50%+ when zen 3 launches and more after, intel got nothing till 2021 or later
since they went from 30% to 40% in 3 months
I can't believe they have not been pumping some of that cash into GPU R&D since ryzen 1
I thing they dumped everything after Raja left and started from scratch
it has been almost two years since they hired his replacements
what is the time frame on a GPU start to finish 3 years total ?
they got Ryzen cooking with gas now they are at 40% market share on the CPU side and will most likely be at 50%+ when zen 3 launches and more after, intel got nothing till 2021 or later
since they went from 30% to 40% in 3 months
I can't believe they have not been pumping some of that cash into GPU R&D since ryzen 1
I thing they dumped everything after Raja left and started from scratch
it has been almost two years since they hired his replacements
what is the time frame on a GPU start to finish 3 years total ?
but not this year
nothing at CES but a 1080p card 5600 xt
nothing at CES but a 1080p card 5600 xt
Nascar24
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but not this year
nothing at CES but a 1080p card 5600 xt
Looks like a standard 3080 it will be then.