Offical Radeon VII Thread
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AllexxisF1
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That's a pretty layout and most importantly, this looks nothing like the commercial card that everyone saying AMD was rebranding.
don't like the cooler poor air flow
will be waiting for aftermarket cards if reviews are good
will be waiting for aftermarket cards if reviews are good
LordHawkwind
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A UK e-tailer has confirmed there are only 100 cards for THE WHOLE OF THE UK and they have 44 of them. Bet I know where the other 56 are going too. They did say they've been promised more stock but not given any dates. I suppose the majority of cards will be for the good old USA. Good luck in Canada and the rest of the world.
not a good sign
NWR_Midnight
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A retailer has no idea how many cards are available to all of the UK. All he knows is he has 44 cards coming. Retailers get their cards from one part of the supply chain (there are many branches of the supply chain), not directly from AMD. All a vendor can see, is the amount available at the time of his order placement from that one supplier out of many.
LordHawkwind
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TBH we need Vega VII to be a complete sales flop just like the RTX 2080 & TI as admitted by NV on their recent earnings call. As consumers we need to send a clear message to both companies that we’re not prepared to spend £$700 on cards that only give us performance that was available from 2 years ago.
Enough is enough. This card and the 2080 should be retailing for at most £$500 and TBH the Vega VII is worse value because it’s just die shrunk GCN tech with higher clocks where at least NV have a new tech in Turing and new features. Let’s not forget most of the features of Vega 64/56 have never been implemented yet and the card is over 18 months old.
I’m definitely sitting this one out and Navi too as that seems to be just a Polaris replacement. Will have to wait until 2020 until “next gen” comes out.
Enough is enough. This card and the 2080 should be retailing for at most £$500 and TBH the Vega VII is worse value because it’s just die shrunk GCN tech with higher clocks where at least NV have a new tech in Turing and new features. Let’s not forget most of the features of Vega 64/56 have never been implemented yet and the card is over 18 months old.
I’m definitely sitting this one out and Navi too as that seems to be just a Polaris replacement. Will have to wait until 2020 until “next gen” comes out.
think i'll still wait for reviews
as for Navi it is a unknown .
https://www.techquila.co.in/amd-radeon-navi-gpu/
LordHawkwind
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OK so we all should believe you rather than someone who has a great reputation and works/owns at one of the UK's top e-tailers
Are you not aware that AMD Direct do not ship outside of North America? For the rest of the world they are 100% reliant on their partners in the retail channel which are probably not that many.I'm sure the two big UK e-tailers I've referred to have the same Business Development Manager with AMD and I'm sure they're saying WTF how many cards? Unless he tells them the truth about the scarcity of the cards and the fact that more are coming why would they bother selling just 44/56 cards each?
I bought my Vega 64 on the other e-tailer site by pure chance because I happened to remember they went on sale that day. The site clearly stated they only had a very limited number and once they were gone they were gone. I checked 10 minutes after my purchase and they were all gone and on pre-order. So in about 10 minutes they had sold their whole inventory.
At £700 Vega VII can stay on sale for the next two years and I won't buy one and with NV now supporting freesync monitors my GPU choices have expanded and AMD can no longer rely on my loyalty purely because of the freesync ecosystem like they did with Vega 64. Remember those blind test reviews
Going forward they are going to have to earn my money by producing competitive products at competitive prices especially as Intel are now appearing on the horizon. Long live competition.
at 699 USD R7 is 80 bucks cheaper than my 1080 ti Strix almost 2 years ago and even cheaper than you can by most 1080 ti's now most are going for 750 to 850
now the question is if it is faster than that 1080 ti if so the price is not that bad .
now the question is if it is faster than that 1080 ti if so the price is not that bad .
Nagorak
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It doesn't look that bad to me. I wouldn't be surprised if it's better than the Nvidia FE 2 fan cooler. Also it's definitely a step up from the crap blower of the past. However, aftermarket cards definitely will have better coolers.
air flow out of the card is up and down
blocked by the motherboard and the top of the cards shroud with the name
top
bottom
blocked mostly by pcie slot and MB
but yes NV FE is not much better
if there is a waterblock out as a back up I would not care just buy the block after testing the card for coil whine
and as I want two in CF they would need water anyway
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Nagorak
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Yeah, I understand the criticism. Kind of silly, but I guess they need to put the logo somewhere. There usually is a decent gap between the card and the mobo, so a fair bit of air can probably escape there. For the small amount of air that's actually moved by these little fans, you probably don't need a huge gap to allow the air to escape. Of course, if I were designing it I'd have tried to make the logo block a little bit less of the fins.
well if someone announces a waterblock I may buy depending on reviews and power draw
waiting to buy Division 2 till I know
waiting to buy Division 2 till I know
NWR_Midnight
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OK so we all should believe you rather than someone who has a great reputation and works/owns at one of the UK's top e-tailers
I'm sure the two big UK e-tailers I've referred to have the same Business Development Manager with AMD and I'm sure they're saying WTF how many cards? Unless he tells them the truth about the scarcity of the cards and the fact that more are coming why would they bother selling just 44/56 cards each?
I bought my Vega 64 on the other e-tailer site by pure chance because I happened to remember they went on sale that day. The site clearly stated they only had a very limited number and once they were gone they were gone. I checked 10 minutes after my purchase and they were all gone and on pre-order. So in about 10 minutes they had sold their whole inventory.
At £700 Vega VII can stay on sale for the next two years and I won't buy one and with NV now supporting freesync monitors my GPU choices have expanded and AMD can no longer rely on my loyalty purely because of the freesync ecosystem like they did with Vega 64. Remember those blind test reviews
Going forward they are going to have to earn my money by producing competitive products at competitive prices especially as Intel are now appearing on the horizon. Long live competition.
Well, i have owned 2 computer business, worked for a number of them prior, as well as auto parts retailers, and not once was the availability of any piece of merchandise ever known beyond the supplier, even when it was a drop shipment directly from the manufacturer. Calls to the manufacturer where directed to their supply chains.
But, i guess we should listen to you, who is going off of what a retailer told you vs someone who has the actual experience in which I also haven't spent the last few months posting negativity about AMD as you have..
As for the price, costs have been going up on everything, and it is very possible there isn't much wiggle room in the profit margins in todays economy and still cover all operational costs.
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Riptide
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I agree with the cooler issue. The logo should've been done differently. Half the size it is or alternately re-located. It appears like it ought to perform better than a reference Vega 64 cooler but perhaps not as well as my rog strix.
If you're going to run it at stock speeds like me then it probably will be fine. Serious overclockers would probably never use a stock cooler anyway.
If you're going to run it at stock speeds like me then it probably will be fine. Serious overclockers would probably never use a stock cooler anyway.
Nagorak
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One thing I will say about Vega VII is it looks to me like something has to have changed compared to Vega 64 besides just clock speed--assuming it provides the rumored performance. According to the rumored specs it has fewer CUs/ROPs/TMUs than Vega 64, but clocks at 1800 MHz, and is roughly equal to a 1080 Ti.
Well, my Sapphire Vega 64 Nitro+ can run at 1700 MHz (I generally don't because it is a power hog and not worth it), and it's nowhere near as fast as a 1080 Ti. You can see this in the Vega 64 Liquid reviews also, they're well short of the 1080 Ti. A mere extra 100 MHz isn't going to be enough to close the gap.
Maybe they managed to fix the DSBR or something? I guess we'll know tomorrow.
It probably won't perform as well as the AIB coolers due to size more than anything else. Larger heatsink mass/greater fin surface area is really the most important aspect of cooling. Airflow actually tends to be a secondary concern (provided you have at least decent airflow), because you encounter other bottlenecks like how quickly heat can be transferred from the fins to the air. That's why you'll find adding a super high cfm fan to a heatsink will often not increase performance more than a couple of degrees--you're encountering other bottlenecks and therefore facing severe diminishing returns (regardless of the amount of airflow, the fins can't be cooled to less than ambient temperature).
Anyway, that basic principle is why I am a bit ambivalent about the reference heatsink. It's not an ideal design, but I'm guessing that airflow is probably sufficient such that the logo isn't going to impact performance that much (that probably isn't where the primary bottleneck lies). Also it has some good aspects, like the fact it actually has a vapor chamber. Even a lot of AIB cards don't use vapor chambers (although based on the performance of my Sapphire Vega 64 Nitro+ heatsink, I'd say vapor chambers aren't required for good performance either). I feel like if they're going to the expense of adding a vapor chamber the engineers probably wouldn't totally blow it by adding a logo that completely destroys performance.
Well, my Sapphire Vega 64 Nitro+ can run at 1700 MHz (I generally don't because it is a power hog and not worth it), and it's nowhere near as fast as a 1080 Ti. You can see this in the Vega 64 Liquid reviews also, they're well short of the 1080 Ti. A mere extra 100 MHz isn't going to be enough to close the gap.
Maybe they managed to fix the DSBR or something? I guess we'll know tomorrow.
It probably won't perform as well as the AIB coolers due to size more than anything else. Larger heatsink mass/greater fin surface area is really the most important aspect of cooling. Airflow actually tends to be a secondary concern (provided you have at least decent airflow), because you encounter other bottlenecks like how quickly heat can be transferred from the fins to the air. That's why you'll find adding a super high cfm fan to a heatsink will often not increase performance more than a couple of degrees--you're encountering other bottlenecks and therefore facing severe diminishing returns (regardless of the amount of airflow, the fins can't be cooled to less than ambient temperature).
Anyway, that basic principle is why I am a bit ambivalent about the reference heatsink. It's not an ideal design, but I'm guessing that airflow is probably sufficient such that the logo isn't going to impact performance that much (that probably isn't where the primary bottleneck lies). Also it has some good aspects, like the fact it actually has a vapor chamber. Even a lot of AIB cards don't use vapor chambers (although based on the performance of my Sapphire Vega 64 Nitro+ heatsink, I'd say vapor chambers aren't required for good performance either). I feel like if they're going to the expense of adding a vapor chamber the engineers probably wouldn't totally blow it by adding a logo that completely destroys performance.
NWR_Midnight
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Here is a in depth breakdown from Gamers Nexus of the Vega II analyst of the PCB and VRM (It also talks about various costs of making the card as well as some comments or left out parts, that make you wonder if AMD has a possible faster card being planned)
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