Rajas final words

KAC said:
Nothing to enjoy. I expect POS products coming out of Intel now.
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Something big your forgetting. Raga will have a much bigger budget with Intel and will be able to attract a bigger team of very talented people than he ever could at AMD.

I see this as a good move for Intel and their desire to become a major force in graphics.
 
Spyhawk said:
Something big your forgetting. Raga will have a much bigger budget with Intel and will be able to attract a bigger team of very talented people than he ever could at AMD.

I see this as a good move for Intel and their desire to become a major force in graphics.
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So in 20 years intel couldnt get the talent or the money to do a proper gpu? Its the IP they dont have. So unless either nvidia (we know they havent) or amd sells them a rich IP license they wont be able to produce a gpu imo.


But my take is AMD is or soon will give them enough IP to work from. Its why Raja went to intel he has experience with amd ip.

Question is what did amd get for this. I mean in a normal high tech world non compete contracts would prevent your top gpu guy from going to work for the competition...
 
pax said:
So in 20 years intel couldnt get the talent or the money to do a proper gpu? Its the IP they dont have. So unless either nvidia (we know they havent) or amd sells them a rich IP license they wont be able to produce a gpu imo.


But my take is AMD is or soon will give them enough IP to work from. Its why Raja went to intel he has experience with amd ip.

Question is what did amd get for this. I mean in a normal high tech world non compete contracts would prevent your top gpu guy from going to work for the competition...
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No...

What will happen is this:

1.) Raja starts early December.

2.) Intel probably already has a discrete GPU in house ala something like the Larabee again that its been sitting on. Not ready for prime time that Raja can tweak, etc etc.

3.) Over the next year you will see a mass exodus from RTG going towards Intel.

4.) Within 2 years possibly 3 you will see a discrete GPU released by Intel.

That is unless AMD sues them by finding some loop hole in the licensing agreement with the GPU+CPU agreement they have now with Intel. This is where the do no compete clause comes in.

AMD licenses its mobility GPU to Intel, Intel pilfers the RTG team, AMD sues for damages because you know there will be a conflict of interest or accusations of stolen tech/patents ( think of Carmack/ID/Occulus fiasco ).

Worst case for AMD they are forced to sell the Graphics division to Intel who has deep coffers and money to spend on R&D. Then we won't get trash like Polaris and Vega.
 
Intel has thrown billions around trying to make a competent GPU and repeatedly fell on their face. Raja is not going to be some magic bullet.
Hapatingjaky said:
No...

What will happen is this:

1.) Raja starts early December.

2.) Intel probably already has a discrete GPU in house ala something like the Larabee again that its been sitting on. Not ready for prime time that Raja can tweak, etc etc.

3.) Over the next year you will see a mass exodus from RTG going towards Intel.

4.) Within 2 years possibly 3 you will see a discrete GPU released by Intel.

That is unless AMD sues them by finding some loop hole in the licensing agreement with the GPU+CPU agreement they have now with Intel. This is where the do no compete clause comes in.

AMD licenses its mobility GPU to Intel, Intel pilfers the RTG team, AMD sues for damages because you know there will be a conflict of interest or accusations of stolen tech/patents ( think of Carmack/ID/Occulus fiasco ).

Worst case for AMD they are forced to sell the Graphics division to Intel who has deep coffers and money to spend on R&D. Then we won't get trash like Polaris and Vega.
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This is pure fiction.
 
Hapatingjaky said:
No...

What will happen is this:

1.) Raja starts early December.

2.) Intel probably already has a discrete GPU in house ala something like the Larabee again that its been sitting on. Not ready for prime time that Raja can tweak, etc etc.

3.) Over the next year you will see a mass exodus from RTG going towards Intel.

4.) Within 2 years possibly 3 you will see a discrete GPU released by Intel.

That is unless AMD sues them by finding some loop hole in the licensing agreement with the GPU+CPU agreement they have now with Intel. This is where the do no compete clause comes in.

AMD licenses its mobility GPU to Intel, Intel pilfers the RTG team, AMD sues for damages because you know there will be a conflict of interest or accusations of stolen tech/patents ( think of Carmack/ID/Occulus fiasco ).

Worst case for AMD they are forced to sell the Graphics division to Intel who has deep coffers and money to spend on R&D. Then we won't get trash like Polaris and Vega.
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The only thing intel can do without a license is double down on massive parallel larrabee x86 and that would still be a heat and power hog. Itd make vega looks good.

Why risk another loss in court to amd and for billions this time and a stop order on sale and production when they can simply pay enough for license and pay a royalty on sales to amd. Its not like amd charges an arm and a leg to the console makers.

BTW Polaris isnt trash. Im playing wolf at 4k butter max graphics on an rx 480...
 
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To accept that scenario would mean Raja Koduri is the most powerful person not only in graphics but the entire tech industry. Where he goes, the best and the brightest minds follow. He is the pied piper of graphics. And he is able to bring the necessary IP to Intel just because he is Raja Koduri.

One person, that's all Intel ever needed to pull their graphics tech out of the toilet. One guy. That's it.
 
Hopefully AMD got something good out of the deal... like Navi built in Intel fabs and/or licensing Intel's MCM tech.
 
So much consolidation going on rumor is Intel wants to buy RTG and Nvidia AMD for its x86 license.

https://www.techpowerup.com/238620/...i-to-develop-discrete-gpus-this-time-for-real

Intel could have one of three approaches to build a discrete GPU from scratch. The first and most obvious one would be to scale up its current gen 9.5 architecture. The trouble is, that Intel's SIMD parallelism is more transistor-heavy than even NVIDIA. It takes roughly 400-500 million transistors (coarse estimate) on the "Kaby Lake" die to build a GPU with 24 execution units. With 10 billion transistors, we're looking at around 480 execution units, if not more.

The second approach would be to build a new graphics architecture from scratch. Something like this, even with Intel's deep R&D pockets, could take a team led by Koduri 3-4 years. The resulting architecture has to relevant to the market of the time, or end up missing the bus like Larrabee. The third approach would be to either license or acquire GPU IP from AMD. Koduri has the reputation of a tech business strategist as much as an IP guru to effect such a change.

These are strange times in the vale, as silicon giants Broadcom and Qualcomm look to coalesce into the world's third largest chipmaker, and Marvell with Cavium follow on. Stranger things are currently happening between past industry rivals, than the possibility of Intel acquiring RTG from AMD in exchange for cash, and allowing AMD's merger with another chipmaker without affecting its x86 license. This is just a really audacious theory.
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HFS 10 billion trannies for just 480 shader units? Intel needs that IP.
 
If the rumor of rtg going to intel and amd cpus to nvidia which would you prefer?

An AMD/Nvidia rig or an Intel Radeon rig?
 
Was kinda hoping it wouldnt go this route. That somehow this was all a part of intel paying amd for ip license. That statement by AMD shows they got blindsided by Raja's move to intel.
 
Def but so has all the amd and intel business... I wonder if this will kibosh some of that now.
 
I'm still not a believer of the Church of Raja. He was at AMD for years. I don't care whether Vega was started before he got there or not, he still didn't manage to steer it in a good direction.

I'm not honestly convinced he's a big loss, nor that he'll be able to work miracles at Intel. But maybe I'm wrong.

Honestly ATi GPUs going to Intel and AMD CPUs to Nvidia might create a better competitive landscape. I'd probably be in the AMD/Nvidia camp though. Intel is a much bigger company.
 
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