Solar Panels for the house

shrike126

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So, looking at 2 proposals and trying to decide between the two by this evening.

Some basics:
  • We don't have a shade problem. Our house has 3 stories, and the aspens and other trees around us aren't taller than the roof itself.
  • We live in Colorado at elevation, so we end up getting a lot of sunlight year-round.
  • Both options are net-metering options. We're not looking at battery backup at this time. Our utilities are all buried so they're pretty reliable, and that ****'s expensive.
  • Both proposals have a yearly production rate right around 105-110% of our current annual electric usage.

Proposal 1 - System as designed: $36k for 25 years at 1.49%

System Size: 7600W
Solaredge Single Phase Inverter
Solaredge Power Optimizers
19x Q Cell 400W panels

25 year warranty on all parts, labor, etc.

Proposal 2 - System as designed: $45k for 20 years at 0.49%

System Size: 8000W

Enphase micro inverters
20x Q Cell 400W panels

Here's the proposal diagram on panel placement for option #2. Yes my name & address are on there. Try to not have me SWATTED please?


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There seem to be pros and cons with each. But I can't seem to get around the idea that with Proposal #1 they're asking for $8k more for micro-inverters on the basis that they're "more reliable" and it doesn't take the whole system down. When, honestly, the system would have to be completely down for years before it would eat into the $8k savings over Proposal #2.

On the flip side, Proposal #2 is from a company that's bigger, been around longer, and is likely more reliable. Whereas Proposal #1, even though they're cheaper, and warranty all their stuff for 25 years, is from a company that's only been around for a few years now.

Anyone have experience with this stuff? Thoughts? I've spent some time online and can only seem to find that the "micro-inverter" vs "power optimizer + string inverter" debate has both sides to it. But the things that would cause me to lean one way or the other aren't compelling. I don't care if the system goes down for a few days or even weeks while they replace the single point-of-failure power inverter because it's both under warranty and we're not trying to get off the grid.

I cannot figure out what would make spending the extra $8-10k worthwhile for more "reliable" per panel production when we don't have shade issues, don't mind having to fall back to grid for production, and are doing this just to move our house at least to being less reliant on fossil fuels.
 
i got 2 bids tesla was about 45k for 16.80 kW with a power wall

and sunrun was 67k for 12 kW with no battery :lol:
they both wanted to put most of the cells on the north side of my roof :nuts:

i'm looking at this
https://sunwatts.com/20-1kw-solar-kit-q-cells-480-xl-enphase-micro-inverter/

but in a catch 22

power company doesn't want to let me have a 20 kW system without showing that i need it
and i can't do that till i have the ford lighting and it jacks up my bills :lol: :nuts:

and i have to do this first

https://assets.new.siemens.com/siem...-8cb4-bd817cd7cb04/sie-fl-400srmetercombo.pdf
 
i got 2 bids tesla was about 45k for 16.80 kW with a power wall

and sunrun was 67k for 12 kW with no battery :lol:
they both wanted to put most of the cells on the north side of my roof :nuts:

i'm looking at this
https://sunwatts.com/20-1kw-solar-kit-q-cells-480-xl-enphase-micro-inverter/

but in a catch 22

power company doesn't want to let me have a 20 kW system without showing that i need it
and i can't do that till i have the ford lighting and it jacks up my bills :lol: :nuts:

Yeah, our house doesn't have an AC, and we don't have an EV yet but plan to add both in the next couple years. So right now our usage is lower than it probably will be in the long run. CORE Coop, our electric company, has a cap of roughly 10 kW for residential systems to qualify for their net metering program. Which gives us some room to add additional panels in the future I think.
 
Yeah, our house doesn't have an AC, and we don't have an EV yet but plan to add both in the next couple years. So right now our usage is lower than it probably will be in the long run. CORE Coop, our electric company, has a cap of roughly 10 kW for residential systems to qualify for their net metering program. Which gives us some room to add additional panels in the future I think.

i have a rooftop natural gas pack ac now but i ordered a dual fuel heat pump w/natural gas only as backup
it's in stock at my supplier i have to put it in as soon as the monsoon season is over
and i still have to install my hybrid water heater

but got to pull permits to replace my 150 amp breaker box with a 400 amp one that is solar ready
i'm striping and powerwashing to paint that end of the house now

and rebuild my 14x20 workshop so i can put some cells on it also

too many projects :nuts:
 
i have a rooftop natural gas pack ac now but i ordered a dual fuel heat pump w/natural gas only as backup
it's in stock at my supplier i have to put it in as soon as the monsoon season is over
and i still have to install my hybrid water heater

but got to pull permits to replace my 150 amp breaker box with a 400 amp one that is solar ready
i'm striping and powerwashing to paint that end of the house now

and rebuild my 14x20 workshop so i can put some cells on it also

too many projects :nuts:

Sheesh man that's a butt load of projects. When was your house built that it had a 150 amp breaker box?

Negotiate to extend the warranty 5 years and go with #2.

They both seem to have the same 25 year warranties. Or are you suggesting asking for 30 year warranty on the system with the micro-inverters?
 
I'm leaning towards proposal #2 right now from Blue Raven now that I've spent the morning digging into their BBB profiles and Solar Reviews pages. The guy I've been working with on Proposal #1 works for a small company out of Arizona that's only been around a couple years but they seem to be selling another company's install and services and THAT company does NOT have good reviews at all.
 
Someone please explain this to me. We had solar panels placed last December: a 3900W system, that cost us €4500. Let's very, very roughly call that a 1:1 ratio for W per €, and consider that the $ and € are practically equal.

Your proposals are roughly five times as expensive. Are solar panels so ridiculously cheap here (Netherlands), or so ridiculously expensive elsewhere?
 
Someone please explain this to me. We had solar panels placed last December: a 3900W system, that cost us €4500. Let's very, very roughly call that a 1:1 ratio for W per €, and consider that the $ and € are practically equal.

Your proposals are roughly five times as expensive. Are solar panels so ridiculously cheap here (Netherlands), or so ridiculously expensive elsewhere?

Hard to say.

These prices I'm quoting are before federal tax credits and subsidies, which will take roughly 1/3rd off that price. But that's still more expensive than your prices, so I'm not sure if you're also being subsidized or maybe it's just that cheap over there.

Bill linked to a system that is roughly half the cost if I DIY it, so I imagine some of this cost is just labor, and having someone else do the permitting, project management for the install, and bringing in inspections to get it done.
 
Hard to say.

These prices I'm quoting are before federal tax credits and subsidies, which will take roughly 1/3rd off that price. But that's still more expensive than your prices, so I'm not sure if you're also being subsidized or maybe it's just that cheap over there.

Bill linked to a system that is roughly half the cost if I DIY it, so I imagine some of this cost is just labor, and having someone else do the permitting, project management for the install, and bringing in inspections to get it done.

Don’t DIY unless you have someone like bill to help out. Bill’s a pro that can build or dismantle most anything comfortably, so projects like this look simple to him.

You create a leaky roof mounting those panels and your issues are only just starting.
 
Guys, whatever you go with, I hope you continue to post and share the experience. I love following this kind of stuff.
 
Guys, whatever you go with, I hope you continue to post and share the experience. I love following this kind of stuff.

Yes same here. Also when you do go about getting an AC, let us know which ones can be started without having 3 powerwalls or a Lightning to do.
 
We're currently looking at houses near Austin, TX. We looked at one that really shows how you should do solar. Yup, you should definitely do this:

See these guys are really into solar panels:
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But that's not enough, so they packed a few more on some additional faces of the roof:
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But the best part is in the back:
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Yes, these take up THE ENTIRE back yard... and check out those AC units:
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Of course you also need a bunch of Tesla power walls:
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Yup, it's exactly what you thought it was for:
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Sheesh man that's a butt load of projects. When was your house built that it had a 150 amp breaker box?



They both seem to have the same 25 year warranties. Or are you suggesting asking for 30 year warranty on the system with the micro-inverters?

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Sheesh man that's a butt load of projects. When was your house built that it had a 150 amp breaker box?



They both seem to have the same 25 year warranties. Or are you suggesting asking for 30 year warranty on the system with the micro-inverters?

Oops. I thought #2 only had a 20 year.

Some companies with grant longer warranties if it means getting your business. Just get it in writing on their letterhead.

Still, go with the company with the proven record.#2
 
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