Windows 10 messing with gaming mouse tracking

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badsykes

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I have an xtrfy mz1 mouse.Windows is messing up the tracking everytime i boot the pc.I discovered this issue after years of replacing mices.
The thing one time i play it tracks well and next time when i reboot pc is different and crappy.The trick is to remove the "USB composite device" driver where the mouse is connected in device manager.It does restore the normal tracking.

Can anyone have more details about this ?
 
reinstall Windows? Try a different USB port?

I would also start by unplugging any unnecessary USB devices to see if that could be causing the issue. Make sure your BIOS and chipset drivers are up to date as well.
 
Are you sure you're not suffering from AMD's USB performance issues? Are you running the latest BIOS?


Could also be that you need a bigger lift off distance for your mouse.
 
metroidfox said:
Are you sure you're not suffering from AMD's USB performance issues? Are you running the latest BIOS?


Could also be that you need a bigger lift off distance for your mouse.
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I have updated to the latest MSI bios for mainboard from 2022.The Bios with the USB fix was released in 2021.

Regarding lift-off distance the mouse have the option to raise the liftoff distance.
 
Shadowless said:
reinstall Windows? Try a different USB port?

I would also start by unplugging any unnecessary USB devices to see if that could be causing the issue. Make sure your BIOS and chipset drivers are up to date as well.
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I already reinstalled windows.I will reinstall AMD chipset drivers.
 
Did you install special mouse drivers or just using windows stock? "composite device" sound like a filter driver layered overtop to add additional functionality.
This sounds a lot like an issue I was having with Razor several years ago, and why I refuse to use them now. (I'd hope in the intervening years they'd have cleaned up their act, but I'm vindictive. :))


DOn't know if your mouse has this feature, but my logitec has an "on-the-fly" DPI adjustment on the mouse body. I occasionally press it by accident and things slow down until I tap it back. So maybe you are doing it accidently, or maybe the software THINKS that you're doing it. I suppose I should run the logitech software and force all settings to be identical so it won't matter if I press it... I never use it deliberately. I like the speed I have set.
 
koralis said:
Did you install special mouse drivers or just using windows stock? "composite device" sound like a filter driver layered overtop to add additional functionality.
This sounds a lot like an issue I was having with Razor several years ago, and why I refuse to use them now. (I'd hope in the intervening years they'd have cleaned up their act, but I'm vindictive. :))


DOn't know if your mouse has this feature, but my logitec has an "on-the-fly" DPI adjustment on the mouse body. I occasionally press it by accident and things slow down until I tap it back. So maybe you are doing it accidently, or maybe the software THINKS that you're doing it. I suppose I should run the logitech software and force all settings to be identical so it won't matter if I press it... I never use it deliberately. I like the speed I have set.
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USB composite is present multiple instances in the device manager --->universal serial bus

The Xtrfy proud themselves they don't need a driver.Everything was designed to be done through mouse buttons combinations without windows control panels.I have a manual switch on the back of the mouse to commute between lift off distance, dpi, rgb combinations, debounce, polling rate.
I am pretty sure i am NOT pressing the dpi accidentally.
The feeling how the cursor moves when the tracking is crappy is a combinations of some sort of unusual acceleration, skipping pixels, instability when i press mouse fire buttons and so on.
 
badsykes said:
The feeling how the cursor moves when the tracking is crappy is a combinations of some sort of unusual acceleration, skipping pixels, instability when i press mouse fire buttons and so on.
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Then it might be just crappy hardware. Can't handle multiple messages "simultaneously?" They pick one, and the other gets lost... no buffer.
 
koralis said:
Then it might be just crappy hardware. Can't handle multiple messages "simultaneously?" They pick one, and the other gets lost... no buffer.
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It can't be crappy hardware because when it works is fine.
Also i do use as a "driver" the MarkC mouse corrections that is adding to registry.

http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.com/2010/03/markc-windows-7-mouse-acceleration-fix.html

After i use it in gaming and exit game and shut down pc the curve is messed up.I have to delete usb composite driver and usb hub to restore normal windows cursor behaviour.
I usually played with windows 2000 like accel.This is like low dpi like 1200 + acceleration similar to windows 2000.You can read in the article above.
Windows 10 acceleration is different.
 
1.2.0.5 bios is unstable some recommend sticking with 1.2.0.3c for now.

Wish I had that choice but I cant go back to an uncapsulated bios. Its been flaky of late.
 
badsykes said:
I have B550 mate ... Not sure about X370
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AFAIK some of these newer agesa bioses are released by AMD for all am4 boards. Some are up to 1.2.0.6 and seem to have fewer bugs but still some issues remain. The move to an 'encapsulated' bios was a basic security issue apparently because I had topped out at 1.0.0.6 before that.
 
pax said:
AFAIK some of these newer agesa bioses are released by AMD for all am4 boards. Some are up to 1.2.0.6 and seem to have fewer bugs but still some issues remain. The move to an 'encapsulated' bios was a basic security issue apparently because I had topped out at 1.0.0.6 before that.
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What kind of problems are you talking about.Except this stuff with mouse i have zero stability issues in games like RDR2 and Half Life 2 DM
 
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koralis said:
This sounds a lot like an issue I was having with Razor several years ago, and why I refuse to use them now. (I'd hope in the intervening years they'd have cleaned up their act, but I'm vindictive. :))
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Don't worry, Synapse is still a piece of crap, and Razer's customer support still sucks ass. :o

Wish I went Logitech :(
 
badsykes said:
What kind of problems are you talking about.Except this stuff with mouse i have zero stability issues in games like RDR2 and Half Life 2 DM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/sw9mar/agesa_v2_1205_for_amd_ryzen_install_the_latest/


According to several feedbacks from the forum, the author's own tests with an AMD Ryzen 9 5950X (test) on an MSI MEG X570 Unify and several discussions on Reddit, installing AGESA ComboAM4v2 1.2.0.5 can lead to the following problems:

"Drops" of up to 100 MHz with the single core clock
"Drops" of up to 150 MHz with the multi-core clock
Missing overclocking functions eg with PBO
A significantly cropped CBS/PBO menu
Performance issues with the second CCX
Low fabric clock (FCLK) possible
More WHEA-19 errors after OC
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[–]santivanderAMD R5 5600x - Sapphire Nitro+ 5700xt - 32gb RAM 3 points 1 day ago
Same! Had TONS of USB issues with 1.2.0.5 and my pc was freezing on bios loading screen. Everything fixed with 1.2.0.3b bios (gigabyte mobo)
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Some more info here:

https://forum.gigabyte.us/thread/14338/agesa-f62-beta-bios-instability

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/swa69b/do_not_update_asus_bios_to_agesa_1206_if_you/
 
So, I was reading about these MarkC "adjustments" and it seems very much of a hack. There are warnings about the registry file needing to match DPI of the screen. I wouldn't be surprised if some game or other that you're running is in a different DPI and it's throwing things off. Seems especially likely now with DLSS, and other scaling tech.

Personally, I'd recommend you run their Default Windows registry file to revert the changes. Just use windowsto turn off Enhance pointer precision. (additional mouse settings > Pointer Options) and then dial back the Speed in the windows setting, and tweak your mouse's DPI to get the feel you're looking for.


(as for me, I like mouse acceleration a lot, so it rather boggles my mind that someone would be trying to make it go away.)
 
koralis said:
So, I was reading about these MarkC "adjustments" and it seems very much of a hack. There are warnings about the registry file needing to match DPI of the screen. I wouldn't be surprised if some game or other that you're running is in a different DPI and it's throwing things off. Seems especially likely now with DLSS, and other scaling tech.

Personally, I'd recommend you run their Default Windows registry file to revert the changes. Just use windowsto turn off Enhance pointer precision. (additional mouse settings > Pointer Options) and then dial back the Speed in the windows setting, and tweak your mouse's DPI to get the feel you're looking for.


(as for me, I like mouse acceleration a lot, so it rather boggles my mind that someone would be trying to make it go away.)
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You can't imitate the w2k tracking with "default" windows 10 setttings..
Windows 10 was not designed with a w2k-like acceleration.
 
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