CES AMD livestream

This kind of has me peeked:


At last year’s Game Developers Conference 2018, Microsoft announced a framework “Windows ML” for developing machine learning based applications on the Windows 10 platform, and “DirectML” that makes it available from DirectX12.
We are currently experimenting with the preview version SDK of DirectML, but Radeon VII shows excellent results so far.

By the way, Radeon VII scored about 1.62 times the GeForce RTX 2080 in “Luxmark” which utilizes an OpenCL-based GPGPU-like ray tracing renderer.
Based on these facts, I think NVIDIA’s DLSS-like thing can be done with a GPGPU-like approach for our GPU.
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Tells me they should be able to do this on Vega one. Dont care for RT but DLSS is a def potential perf booster...
 
LordHawkwind said:
The same day they're supposed to go on sale. Paper launch then I presume.
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Since when. This has been the way AMD has been doing it for years. NDA expires the same day they are released and hit the shelves. It was this way with the Ryzen, as well as the their GPU's. August 14th, 2017 was when Vega 64's NDA's expired, which is also the same day it was released and hit the shelves.
 
Can we step off off the hype train ledge on Navi seeing rumors of 2070 perf for 250. This is not the pricing model AMD has been going with since Lisa Su took over. If it's 2070 perf expect it to be priced at or just below a 2070 price.

If they want to be cutthroat and the cards are binning well maybe a 2060 price for 2070 perf. Buts it's more likely AMD will slot in the middle of 2060 and 2070 price points.

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Gandalfthewhite said:
Can we step off off the hype train ledge on Navi seeing rumors of 2070 perf for 250. This is not the pricing model AMD has been going with since Lisa Su took over. If it's 2070 perf expect it to be priced at or just below a 2070 price.

If they want to be cutthroat and the cards are binning well maybe a 2060 price for 2070 perf. Buts it's more likely AMD will slot in the middle of 2060 and 2070 price points.

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What hype train ledge? Honestly ever since they announced where the performance is going to land, I feel like the hype evaporated. Giving us a card that matches/within 5% of performance we've had for 2 years (before OCing) isn't making me reach for my wallet at all.
 
Nunz said:
What hype train ledge? Honestly ever since they announced where the performance is going to land, I feel like the hype evaporated. Giving us a card that matches/within 5% of performance we've had for 2 years (before OCing) isn't making me reach for my wallet at all.
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Nvidia 1080Ti = 250w Release March 2017
Nvidia 2080 = 215/225w Release September 2018
AMD Vega II = 300w+ Release February 2019

2 years later we get a card that uses more power and with more power produces more heat and equals what we had 2 years ago.

All Nvidia is going too do is drop the price of the 2080, and then you have the second hand 1080Ti market which now supports Freesync.

So really its another "so what card" from AMD.
 
Talking about the Navi leaks from the last week or so not Radeon 7. I'm not worried about rad7 hype it's the Navi hype that's started to build other places. What frustrates me is that we see time and time again people make crazy claims (cough adored cough) and ppl are like he was right once so he is likely right again oh man this is going to be awesome and instead they are dead wrong and people are upset because these expectations were set and missed. Expectations that the community only set because of rumors.

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Hapatingjaky said:
Nvidia 1080Ti = 250w Release March 2017
Nvidia 2080 = 215/225w Release September 2018
AMD Vega II = 300w+ Release February 2019

2 years later we get a card that uses more power and with more power produces more heat and equals what we had 2 years ago.

All Nvidia is going too do is drop the price of the 2080, and then you have the second hand 1080Ti market which now supports Freesync.

So really its another "so what card" from AMD.
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Yes, but this really applies to most of Nvidia's 2000 series as well. They didn't offer any real performance improvements except at the very high end, which is so expensive that few will even consider it. It's not really good time for GPU enthusiasts at all.

But I think it's possible that Nvidia has made the same mistake with the 2000 series that Intel did with five years of lackluster performance improvements. They've now given AMD a solid chance to close the gap.
 
Gandalfthewhite said:
Talking about the Navi leaks from the last week or so not Radeon 7. I'm not worried about rad7 hype it's the Navi hype that's started to build other places. What frustrates me is that we see time and time again people make crazy claims (cough adored cough) and ppl are like he was right once so he is likely right again oh man this is going to be awesome and instead they are dead wrong and people are upset because these expectations were set and missed. Expectations that the community only set because of rumors.

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I think people have been upset with Radeon Graphics primarily because they missed even basic goals, not inflated hype goals. Vega was pretty disappointing after the long wait for it to release. I have some hope Vega II could be significantly improved since if you undervolt Vega it gets a lot better (maybe 10% slower, for around half the power consumption). If they've managed to get power under control a bit, it becomes a much more solid product. But they also may have stuck to "pre-overclocking" it to make it more competitive on performance.

In regards to Navi, it's got to be faster than Polaris, which is already roughly equal to a 1060. Hitting 2070/1080 levels really doesn't seem unreasonable to me, considering how it's been 2.5 years since that level of performance became available. Nvidia have set themselves up to be significantly undercut on price by making such a large chip by including the RTX units.
 
Nagorak said:
Yes, but this really applies to most of Nvidia's 2000 series as well. They didn't offer any real performance improvements except at the very high end, which is so expensive that few will even consider it. It's not really good time for GPU enthusiasts at all.

But I think it's possible that Nvidia has made the same mistake with the 2000 series that Intel did with five years of lackluster performance improvements. They've now given AMD a solid chance to close the gap.
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Not at a retail price of $£699 they haven't. They needed to substantially undercut the price of a 2080 because basically Vega 7 is 'old GCN tech' where at least Turing is a new architecture which at least brings Ray tracing and DLSS to the game. I sit squarely in the AMD ecosystem but even I'm not remotely interested in Vega 7 at that price. If I was going to pay $£699 for a card right now I'd buy the 2080 all day long. Vega 7 wouldn't even be a consideration.
 
bill dennison said:
we may get some leeks soon

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Uh.. hmm. well, I am posting this before I finish watching it.. But.. I have a question.. when did AMD make a Radeon sound card, and used it as a place holder? (mentioned at 2:45)

LOL. uh.. hmm.. kind of a hard mistake to make since AMD has never made sound cards, nor has ATI... Which makes it really hard to digest anything he is saying after that. LOL.. but I will continue watching.

edit: Nothing new, just the same info we already knew.
 
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NWR_Midnight said:
Uh.. hmm. well, I am posting this before I finish watching it.. But.. I have a question.. when did AMD make a Radeon sound card, and used it as a place holder? (mentioned at 2:45)

LOL. uh.. hmm.. kind of a hard mistake to make since AMD has never made sound cards, nor has ATI... Which makes it really hard to digest anything he is saying after that. LOL.. but I will continue watching.

edit: Nothing new, just the same info we already knew.
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he is saying Radeon 7 not Radeon sound

and the only thing new is the pre release unboxing soon and leeks will start as soon as reviewers have them in hand
 
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