dmanna
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Not according to profits.
End of GPU wars?
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Not according to profits.
Nagorak
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What does that have to do with anything? That's like saying that a Samsung phone is better than a Sony because Samsung makes more money and that "proves" that all their products are better.
By that same token Nvidia and most other companies are crap because Apple made more money in 3 months than they made in several years.
dmanna
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honestly I am an AMD fanboy but Nvidia products are over the last 2 generations have been superior. They are faster and they stay much cooler because they use much less power.
I get what your saying but in recent years AMD has released inferior products. They are not in the same ball park, there is a clear winner. I don't think AMD can ever surpass Nvidia the question is can they make enough money to compete with Nvidia. Right now Nvidia is destroying them.
The name of the game is to make money? They are also releasing better products. There is a possible benefit to buying an AMD card cause maybe you will get driver support for a longer period of time.. but how many people either care or even know.
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Hapatingjaky
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Oh, I think AMD could surpass Nvidia if its GPU market wasn't part of AMD anymore.
ATI back in the day traded blow for blow with its competitor/s. It started going downhill after the AMD Acquisition. Dragged down by years of poor CPU sales and losing market share due to poor decision making at the top, I think we would see different scenario playing out right now.
What I hope happens is this, Vega and Zen fails, they probably will, not in the fan boys eyes but within the community/industry. And that the outcome is that the GPU and CPU side splits or is sold off. Samsung purchases the GPU side makes awesome GPU's. Or it could go this way, Nvidia buys the CPU side, Intel buys the GPU side and its Nvidia vs Intel.
As long as AMD is AMD they will be playing second fiddle in both the CPU and now GPU markets.
VW_Factor
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While it wasn't the focus of his video, it did ignore drivers and support.
Argoon1981
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No you are not a AMD fanboy, why, because a fanboy is someone that likes a product no matter what and go as far as to "forget" the product cons and praise to much the product pros.
Like me you perhaps like AMD, but you realize they are not perfect in any way.
Me i like their products but i like it more because of their culture.
Like this video showed they got stumped even when they didn't deserved to get stumped and that is that.
LordHawkwind
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I tend to agree. I've got a Fury Pro and its an awesome card for 1440p. Highest settings on all games and high FPS and no slow downs. Hopefully Vega comes with HBM 2 and is as good as as a 1080 and then I'll buy one straight away. I'm not a fan boy but I think HBM is the way to go and I'm not going to buy a card that doesn't have it. That's just my 2c's.
noko
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I've been very impressed with the Nano and hope to see a Vega Nano II replacement coming up. Great card! It beats the 1070 in some games even not even OC! Doom and Mankind Divided.
Still the Pascal cards are great cards, bought the 1060 over the 480 mainly because it consumes much less power than the 480, simple as that. In a Node 202 case the 1060 is a great card and super quiet.
Went with 2x 1070 for SLI for the added performance and also first SLI combination to have fun with. AMD at this time has nothing much there to play with, 8gb+ to max out settings.
I pretty much agreed with his assessment though, I bought the 5870 and laughed at the 280 and Fermi 480. Bought the 290 and 290x because the 580 and 680 and even the 780 to me were lesser cards. Bought the 750Ti because of size/power and SFF. Nano same reason due to it's uniqueness at the time. At the top end right now there is only Nvidia which is kinda sad but that is how it is.
AMD Zen is their best hope to get back into the green and not only green but actually make a meaningful profit. AMD getting marketshare back and also making a profit in their graphics division has eluded them to no end with Nvidia. AMD continues with their BS marketing strategy just turns off folks in general and for most is a waste to pay any attention to it. Example is AMD's funky performance benchmarks with Fiji which only hurt them when the real numbers with real settings came out. Polaris marketing was also messed up as well. Really AMD will bring out Vega when? Feb 2017 when available? March to April almost a year behind Pascal? That is utterly terrible.
Still the Pascal cards are great cards, bought the 1060 over the 480 mainly because it consumes much less power than the 480, simple as that. In a Node 202 case the 1060 is a great card and super quiet.
Went with 2x 1070 for SLI for the added performance and also first SLI combination to have fun with. AMD at this time has nothing much there to play with, 8gb+ to max out settings.
I pretty much agreed with his assessment though, I bought the 5870 and laughed at the 280 and Fermi 480. Bought the 290 and 290x because the 580 and 680 and even the 780 to me were lesser cards. Bought the 750Ti because of size/power and SFF. Nano same reason due to it's uniqueness at the time. At the top end right now there is only Nvidia which is kinda sad but that is how it is.
AMD Zen is their best hope to get back into the green and not only green but actually make a meaningful profit. AMD getting marketshare back and also making a profit in their graphics division has eluded them to no end with Nvidia. AMD continues with their BS marketing strategy just turns off folks in general and for most is a waste to pay any attention to it. Example is AMD's funky performance benchmarks with Fiji which only hurt them when the real numbers with real settings came out. Polaris marketing was also messed up as well. Really AMD will bring out Vega when? Feb 2017 when available? March to April almost a year behind Pascal? That is utterly terrible.
noko
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I think the 480 is a more powerful configurations over the 1060, cfx, more ram, better Dx 12 capability. If power requirements were lower at the time I would have gone that route for my daughter. I am getting to hate GeForce Experience as much as Rature. AMD did the right thing getting rid of it.
I left out the 7970! Good grief, that was kick ass card as well, still usable today.
I left out the 7970! Good grief, that was kick ass card as well, still usable today.
the new war will be APU's AMD VS Intel
NVidia with no x86 license need not apply
two years three at most and most people will not have a dedicated graphics card for 1080p
and few for 1440p or maybe with a cheap graphics card & APU cfx
hard line gamers and 4k and 8k when it get here and maybe VR(if it lives) will be the only market for dedicated graphics cards
NVidia with no x86 license need not apply
two years three at most and most people will not have a dedicated graphics card for 1080p
and few for 1440p or maybe with a cheap graphics card & APU cfx
hard line gamers and 4k and 8k when it get here and maybe VR(if it lives) will be the only market for dedicated graphics cards
noko
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Hmmm at one point some thought Nvidia was over with when Fermi was late and then very hot. Now AMD. I say wait to see what Vega brings before declaring the war is over it may start the baddest GPU war of all time.
kboye
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That's been said for some time. With the new consoles having 8GB we finally started to see GPU use going beyond 4GB. Gap is closing (iGPU vs GPU), but still order of magnitude behind even a cheap GPU. Thing is, software requirements go up in time even with the same software 
(OS, monitors, driver options)
(OS, monitors, driver options)
over a year ago
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...s-integrated-gpus-now-equal-to-discrete-cards
.....
but with AMD's Gray Hawk: 7nm APU with Zen+ and Navi in 2019 maybe
but then
1366 x 768p is 24.86% of steam hardware survey
and 1080p is 38.06
1440p is 1.83
and other over 1440p is 2.29
about 96% of steam single screen is at 1080p or under
AMD A10-7890K at 1080p not to bad
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-a10-7890k-gaming-performance-benchmark,4491-3.html
I can see discrete cards selling less and costing more per card because they are selling less and less of them
not true yet
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...s-integrated-gpus-now-equal-to-discrete-cards
.....
but with AMD's Gray Hawk: 7nm APU with Zen+ and Navi in 2019 maybe
but then
1366 x 768p is 24.86% of steam hardware survey
and 1080p is 38.06
1440p is 1.83
and other over 1440p is 2.29
about 96% of steam single screen is at 1080p or under
AMD A10-7890K at 1080p not to bad
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-a10-7890k-gaming-performance-benchmark,4491-3.html
I can see discrete cards selling less and costing more per card because they are selling less and less of them
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Nagorak
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I think there will still be demand for discrete cards based on the fact that in recent years a CPU lasts years longer than a GPU. We're still seeing more improvements made in terms of GPUs than CPUs (also it's easier to improve GPUs since the whole process is easily parallelized, you can just keep pumping out higher transistor counts).
VR I think definitely survives in some form. Worst case scenario it just remains a small niche. It could be a while before it enters the mainstream. The indy devs have actually done a pretty good job at creating content for VR. Games are slowly getting longer and more intricate.
over a year ago
not true yet
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...s-integrated-gpus-now-equal-to-discrete-cards
.....
but with AMD's Gray Hawk: 7nm APU with Zen+ and Navi in 2019 maybe
but then
1366 x 768p is 24.86% of steam hardware survey
and 1080p is 38.06
1440p is 1.83
and other over 1440p is 2.29
about 96% of steam single screen is at 1080p or under
AMD A10-7890K at 1080p not to bad
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-a10-7890k-gaming-performance-benchmark,4491-3.html
I can see discrete cards selling less and costing more per card because they are selling less and less of them
Imagine a high end GPU also using 7nm though, and also having the corresponding power savings that come with it.......Since transistors are 3D objects, a corresponding drop to 7nm over today's 14nm means a 4X increase in transistor budget for a given die size, since the transistors are half the length and half the height......One can pack twice as many in each dimension, hence the 4x figure.
Anything built with a 10 billion transistor budget at 14nm may have up to 40 billion at 7nm for the same die size......The only thing we can say is that once we reach that point, multi GPU is effectively dead since there isn't a CPU alive that could feed 2~3 cards packing 40 billion transistors in each one......
and now imagine it costing 999 to 1499 per card plus a cpu
lots more people will go with APU's