Is anyone happy with their PS2?

sigh......matrox...matrox

The SAME point you are trying to protect about ps2's development difficulties is what hurted n64 and saturn, i bet back in the psx days though you were praising how much sony was right to have an easy to dev for console right? hypocrite.

Developers becoming too lazy ? ROFL, thats the best i've heard so far. If you want to waste MILLIONS of $ fighting with the hardware and try to squeeze performances out of it, then go for ps2. Gamecube will save time and money and let them concentrate on gameplay, and almost eleminate delays related to hardware. Exactly why developers loved deving for psx over n64. Now suddently it should change :rolleyes: typical.

as for GT3 and MGS2, well you're comparing games that polyphony and konami have been working on for over 2 years now, gamecube and xbox developers are only starting to warm up. I can guarantee you that you'll see something that will kill gt3 and mgs2 graphic wise pretty soon on gamecube, NST is working on a GT type of racer, thunder rally was already crushing Gt3 in terms of effects and graphics yet it was only 3 months old. Eternal darkness will look better than MGS2 by launch, and too human along with PD0 will just crap over it. Not saying that gt3 or mgs2 dont look good, but if you know anything about hardware you should already know that both of them arent a challenge for the upcoming consoles, in fact they could probably pull off what konami took in 2 years and half and recreate the same in 1 year on gamecube.


and no, ps3 wont have the same architecture as ps2, it would be SUICIDE for next generation consoles, its simply outdated and costly architecture that wont be able to perform on what it should. In fact sony already dropped the EE concept for IBM's new cpu core called cell, memory on ps3 will HAVE to be either 1t-sram or better, anything under that would create a bottleneck. And if they ever keep up their stupid GS with no texturing engine AGAIN, i think it will officially make sony the tard of this industry.
 
hmm..watch tha sarcasm buddy?!?

hmm..watch tha sarcasm buddy?!?

You really shouldnt be so sarcastic when you have nothing to be sarcastic about!

N64 being hard to develop for hurt them?!? Nah, that line has been passed around for ages. Now the media they used on the other hand! Did you ever stop to think that maybe developers had a hard time developing for the system because they had to concentrate on how much room they were using? Then N64 could never pull off a game like GT because they didnt have the storage capacity to hold that much information.

Now another sarcastic note that you should be shot for ;)
You most likely are the one saying that the N64 had great titles because the developers were not lazy. I know the PSone was being trashed for un-inovated games with lackluster gameplay and graphics. Do you think the developer would have stuck around to make this game if they needed to actually learn the hardware?? Oh wait, they would because everyone is going to want to buy it!...Yeah..um..NO!!

Gt and MGS being developed for 2 years...Gamecube developers just warming up.. Nice thought, unfortunatly Ive been seing these games develop over the last year, and to tell you the truth graphically they have not changed all that much. Lets take GT3 for the first example shall we!!

Gt3's first step to development was to create the "Engine" for the game. Once the engine is/was finished they started to work on the car models and tracks. Now lets see a average car takes about 1 week to create since its so detailed, and the tracks take about 1 mos a peice for the same reason. So technically after the first car and the first track we see what the game will look like.

Now MGS2

MGS2 followed almost the same development path...Gee wonder if most games start out this way! First they create the engine, then work on basic character models...hmmm...interesting no?!? So once they design the first level, and create Solid Snake they basically have a pretty good Idea how the game is going to look once its finised completely. Then they do what every other game company does..ADD substance! They add in more visual effects, design levels, characters, work on the Voice acting. WOW wonder if thats what most of the development time went towards...and here I thought they were spending all that time learning the hardware!..Oh snap..they WERE!!

Then their were the High amount of fees Nintendo was charging for companys to make games on thier system...Nope..that sounds like a bigger problem then a difficult system to program for. Oh...Almost forgot, the Kiddy image that plagued Nintendo right from the start...NOPE..it had to be the difficulty in programing...WAIT I GOT IT..The Kiddy image, the high licensing fees and the limited storage space were the result of how hard the system was to program for! I knew I would get this!!

I can be sarcastic too, at least Im not making "ASSUMPTIONS" on what people think to base my sarcasms on!

Oh the uniformed..Yeah Sony dropped the whole EE thing didnt they! Damn, I thought Toshiba and IBM were going to work on the new CPU together! Silly me for reading FACTS! The truth is "unless you dont keep up on current events" that IBM is devestating when it comes to CPU manufacturing. They are the ones behind the "Super Computers" yet if the EE is so bad, why is Toshiba working along side of IBM to create the next chip.?? Hmm, must be that Toshiba's EE is actually a good chip, and that combining IBM's CPU technologies they could further expand on the EE!

Hmm...isnt it amazing how a simple GS can hold its own pretty well against these "Far superior" machines?? I find it down right scary that the PS2 is powerfull enough to do what it does without a texturing engine! I never said the GC was a bad console, in fact I really want to see it succeed and finally get back in the swing of things. Im just pointing out that just because the PS2 isnt perfect doesnt mean the GC and Xbox are!

I remember when a system had enough support it destroyed a stronger console! Now the PS2 is in the same light, it might not be the strongest, but as of right now it has the most support! And it looks as though it will stay that way. Funny, a system is so hard to develope for yet so many developers are making games for it?
 
I know that when the playstation and the N64 came out, I didnt even consider looking at the PS. I went for the N64. Big mistake. I dont want to take that chance again. And if it dosent, Oh well, the PS2 is a great system and I love it. I think it was nice for sony to take consideration for gamers to let PSone games be compatible with PS2.

Neither system will take the other over. Sony has its thousands of loyal fans, A DVD player. Hell, people probably brought the PS2 mainly for DVD's! Games might have been a bonus.

Nintendo has eager people waiting to see which will be better, PS2 or Gamecube. Many people went from N64 to Playstation. So they are not sure what to expect from Nintendo. I sure am not.
 
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lol? Seriously thou, the X-box dosent really look that promising. your right it is just a small computer. Why would I want another computer?


EDIT: watch the X-box be the best console ever made, and Microsoft take over the console world too. Dammit, we cant let that happen! Yo, we gotz to fight sonz! We gotta take it to em! Buy all the PS2'z and Gamecubes you see! They may take our...(quote from Braveheart. I forgot it)..!!!!
 
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Wait for the games

Wait for the games

ok the PS2 has some cruddy games and a few good games at the moment, but wait the best is yet to come, look at the PS-One it had **** games when it first came out but then a year or two later it started getting good ones then they kept getting better and better, like Gran Turismo which was topped by Gran Turismo 2 which is THE Best driving Sim ever until Gt3 comes along, and theres Metal Gear Solid which was ultimate before being ported to the PC, Metal Gear Solid 2 the sequel will come to PS2, but Metal Gear Solid X will come to X-Box which will be nothing like the PS1/PS2 versions as it is not a sequel.
 
All I can say is...

All I can say is...

GRAN TURISMO 3 A-SPEC. I will pick it up on Wednesday and my poor PC box will get no attention for a month. Then after a month all I'll use it for is E-mail and looking for GT3 cheats :-)
 
That is going to be a great game. Cant wait to get it. Who thinks its going to be the best selling game ever???(By the way, what is the fastest selling game ever?)
 
Yeah look at all the great games I have.

Red Faction
Twisted metal black
GT3
Starwars starfighter
Timesplitters
 
Hmmm happy with it? Not sure, I'm happy that I can finally finish the games I was playing on the psx when it died. Though for the ps2 games I hardly play them, even though GT3 has stunning graphics its just a cleaner version of 2. So as for the ps2 games, I'm not overly impressed...I guess thats why I'm playing FF Chronicles for ChronoTrigger, and I'll go back and play xenogears again.
 
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