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There is that being a new process but story is they are ahead of what they expected to be at on the 7nm node and its going great. If this was GF Id give it to you that we wouldnt see big dies for some time but TSMC has a great record. And tho its more of 10nm type its still close to a full node drop from 16nm.

I see 25b at about ~600mm2. Which would be slightly smaller than the pretty damn big 20 nvidia gen at ~750mm2.

If amd doesnt do it Im sure nvidia will.
 
shadow001 said:
You make it sound really easy on a brand new process where most customers first start on simple designs and then as they become more confortable move up the complexity and die size.....Do keep in mind that TSMC's 7nm also has parts made at 12nm, so it isn't a "pure" 7nm process and Intel got shafted big time trying to move to a pure 10nm process for the last 2+ years and they have the big money and state of the art factories for it.
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The nm numbers are basically meaningless as it's an arbitrary marketing number that tells you nothing about transistor density. IE, TSMC's new "12nm" node is just their old 16nm node with some power efficiency optimizations.
 
AMD finally has a window to catch up and aiming for the mid-range is a lousy idea.

Go big or sell the outfit off to someone else who will.
 
we have known for months this was built for PS5 so mid-range


and again they are not going to sell the ATI part they need it for the APU's and game consoles
 
With 4k tvs being cheap Id be really surprised if the gpu in the ps5 wasnt able to easily run 4k. I dont think Sony could sell the ps5 if it didnt run 4k well. Mid range now sounds weak but it may not be next fall.
 
pax said:
With 4k tvs being cheap Id be really surprised if the gpu in the ps5 wasnt able to easily run 4k. I dont think Sony could sell the ps5 if it didnt run 4k well. Mid range now sounds weak but it may not be next fall.
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It is the next logical step for both manufactures though I think it'll be more focused upon jettisoning locked frame rates to gives the illusion of smoothness with HDMI 2.1. Those cheap TVs are not going to have that for a while though.
 
Jay20016 said:
It is the next logical step for both manufactures though I think it'll be more focused upon jettisoning locked frame rates to gives the illusion of smoothness with HDMI 2.1. Those cheap TVs are not going to have that for a while though.
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not going to get full HDMI 2.1 till end of next year or 2020 CES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH0HI7a4S4Q

but VRR or freesync is already out with some Samsung tv's without it and will hopefully more will follow soon next year
 
Megaman said:
Rumor has it, it is as fast as the 1080 for $250 USD? Would be pretty sweet if true!
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1080 performance at $250 USD would basically make it a replacement for Vega. Granted this is half a year in the future, but it certainly would take it to Nvidia's line-up. The 2070 which offers roughly 1080 performance is going for $500-$600.

Maybe the 2000 series will be a "short generation", but generally that's what we could expect for the next year and a half. Also with how large the dies are on the 2000 series, Nvidia may have a hard time cutting prices too far.

Anyway, let's hope that it's true. :)
 
AMD has a chance at flipping roles with Nvidia. Going for more performance vs new features. Especially considering its very early to be going after raytracing.

By not doing RT in 2019 it can give that transistor budget to effect better performance via more shaders, rops, texturing units ect... It could put out a really monstrous shader loaded gpu on 7nm.

Kind of the same way they avoided latest gen avx support for first gen ryzen so they could catch up to intel in ipc on desktop.
 
Im expecting more ryzen 3000 info with a smidgen of navi. I think ryzen 3000 will be out way sooner than navi. Navi eta end of 2019 according to some.
 
Good to see Lisa Su officially announce that AMD will be very competitive against Turings top end cards.


AMD better deliver. Would love to see AMD smash NVidia with some cheaper alternatives, or even just some alternatives, in the high end GPUs sector.
 
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