nVidia 3070 thread

 
For $200 dollars more, if you can find one, the Rtx 3080 offers around 30% more performance and an extra 2 gigs of faster ram, for nice 4k gaming, with less limitations. It's unusual for the x80 derivative to offer that kind of value when compared to the x70 derivative.
 
I think Amd disrupted Nvidia's original planning and absolutely needs the 102 derivatives to compete and unusual, may even be reactionary towards the 6800 and 6900xt offerings from Amd.

If one desires value one should desire both Amd and Nvidia to do well.
 
SIrPauly said:
I think Amd disrupted Nvidia's original planning and absolutely needs the 102 derivatives to compete and unusual, may even be reactionary towards the 6800 and 6900xt offerings from Amd.

If one desires value one should desire both Amd and Nvidia to do well.
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I'm not entirely sure. I mean what was nvidias original plan?

Lets assume AMD doesn't compete this round again.

G104 then is the 3080? So in that case the 3080 competes with the 2080 Ti head for head.

G102 then is the 3080 Ti for $1200?

That doesn't sound like it'd pan out well for nvidia saying their 3080 barely beats the 2080.

I think with power that ampere takes, I think Ampere didn't get to what nvidia actually wanted as far as perf/watt. Opening the gate for AMD.

What also points to this is how unpreparred both nvidia, and AIBs were nvidia was likely still performing revisions fairly late trying to get as much out of ampere as they could because the design was just not as good as Turing was, considering how old Turing is.

I mean its all just speculation, but thats my theory. Something else I noticed I took apart my old Asus GTX 680 DCUII OC(for a shadow box display)and realized it was a G104 die.
 
SIrPauly said:
For $200 dollars more, if you can find one, the Rtx 3080 offers around 30% more performance and an extra 2 gigs of faster ram, for nice 4k gaming, with less limitations. It's unusual for the x80 derivative to offer that kind of value when compared to the x70 derivative.
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I think this is because the x70/x80 split has now become what the x80/Ti split was. While the x80 was often not that much faster than the more affordable x70, the Ti was often a fair bit faster than the non-Ti, while also costing a fair bit more.

I tend to agree that the 3080 is more attractive, but in the end, I think it comes down to whether someone can afford/justify a $700+ card. I have to think that even the x70 SKU is out of a lot of people's price range, with a lot of people waiting for the x60 and below.

But also with the Radeon 6000 series also releasing in a couple weeks, I also find the 3070 to be a questionable buy. If the 6800 non-XT is closer to the 3080 for only $80 more, then that is probably the better buy for anyone who isn't running a G-sync only monitor, or otherwise deadset on Nvidia.
 
Nagorak said:
But also with the Radeon 6000 series also releasing in a couple weeks, I also find the 3070 to be a questionable buy. If the 6800 non-XT is closer to the 3080 for only $80 more, then that is probably the better buy for anyone who isn't running a G-sync only monitor, or otherwise deadset on Nvidia.
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This I'm not entirely sure about, if you read the AIB reviews posted in the other thread, it shows the 3070 quite a bit ahead of the 2080 Ti in pretty much all benchmarks.

More so with DLSS2.0.

So now I'm questioning where the 6800 actually will land against the 3070. I cant wait for individual reviews.

Man this is a good time to be a consumer. It's been far too long.
 
CurrentlyPissed said:
This I'm not entirely sure about, if you read the AIB reviews posted in the other thread, it shows the 3070 quite a bit ahead of the 2080 Ti in pretty much all benchmarks.

More so with DLSS2.0.

So now I'm questioning where the 6800 actually will land against the 3070. I cant wait for individual reviews.

Man this is a good time to be a consumer. It's been far too long.
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I'll check the benchmarks out. But, actually, that probably makes sense. With the 3070 running at a more efficient point on the power curve, there is likely a lot more left in them to be squeezed out by the AIBs, or by overclocking. In that regard the 3070 starts to look better against the 3080, as well, which seems to be pretty close to tapped out in terms of performance.
 
CurrentlyPissed said:
I'm not entirely sure. I mean what was nvidias original plan?

Lets assume AMD doesn't compete this round again.

G104 then is the 3080? So in that case the 3080 competes with the 2080 Ti head for head.

G102 then is the 3080 Ti for $1200?

That doesn't sound like it'd pan out well for nvidia saying their 3080 barely beats the 2080.

I think with power that ampere takes, I think Ampere didn't get to what nvidia actually wanted as far as perf/watt. Opening the gate for AMD.

What also points to this is how unpreparred both nvidia, and AIBs were nvidia was likely still performing revisions fairly late trying to get as much out of ampere as they could because the design was just not as good as Turing was, considering how old Turing is.

I mean its all just speculation, but thats my theory. Something else I noticed I took apart my old Asus GTX 680 DCUII OC(for a shadow box display)and realized it was a G104 die.
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The mythical and rumored Ga-103 die wasn't going to offer enough possibly for the original x80 derivative and offered the 102 bigger die for that $699 price point? It's unusual to launch with the big die at the $699 price point. Since when does Nvidia bring impressive value? Only when there is strong competition.
 
SIrPauly said:
The mythical and rumored Ga-103 die wasn't going to offer enough possibly for the original x80 derivative and offered the 102 bigger die for that $699 price point? It's unusual to launch with the big die at the $699 price point. Since when does Nvidia bring impressive value? Only when there is strong competition.
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Again, I think it boils down more to Ampere not quite being what they expected it to be. I can't imagine nvidia ever planning to put the G104 or even a G103 on 3080 and expecting people to be happy with it trading blows with 2080 ti.

I think G102 was always going to be 3080, but likely at 999, with 3090 at 1499,
 
CurrentlyPissed said:
Again, I think it boils down more to Ampere not quite being what they expected it to be. I can't imagine nvidia ever planning to put the G104 or even a G103 on 3080 and expecting people to be happy with it trading blows with 2080 ti.

I think G102 was always going to be 3080, but likely at 999, with 3090 at 1499,
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Warning, wild speculation based on wind:


I don't! I think the Ga-103 may of offered 15+% more performance than a Rtx 2080 ti and gamers would be still applauding it as good value for $699 to $799 but it wouldn't be enough to compete with Amd.

I still think Nvidia is working on the Ga-103, maybe as a refresh for the 3xxx series.
 
So annoyed at Bestbuy.
Had 3070 in cart, in checkout (Where it's safe)...

Not available for delivery/shipping in my area.
I'm sorry WHAT? I live in one of the larger cities in my state! So...couldn't order it.
 
A2597 said:
So annoyed at Bestbuy.
Had 3070 in cart, in checkout (Where it's safe)...

Not available for delivery/shipping in my area.
I'm sorry WHAT? I live in one of the larger cities in my state! So...couldn't order it.
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WTF is that about? Since when can't they just deliver shite?
 
A2597 said:
So annoyed at Bestbuy.
Had 3070 in cart, in checkout (Where it's safe)...

Not available for delivery/shipping in my area.
I'm sorry WHAT? I live in one of the larger cities in my state! So...couldn't order it.
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I had the same thing happen with a 3080 weeks ago. I think it is an anti-scalping effort. If you have a Best Buy close by they make you pick it up at the store. I could have placed the order and picked it up in my local BB in ~5 days. It was not the model I really wanted so I passed.
 
For a laugh I was going to buy a 3070 FE today for £469 and then send it back for a full refund within 14 days just to see if it was possible to buy one. Was on the Nvidia UK site at 12.55 pressing F5 till the buy button appeared and it then took me to the Scan Computers site which is only 20 minutes drive from me. They had captuar on the site and logged into my account and the card was in my basket. Pressed checkout and poof timed out. Screwed.

There is an apology on the website saying many customers got to checkout but couldn't complete the sale. They reckon they had over 60,000 individuals trying to buy the cards and so basically everything got screwed. Wasn't bothered as I didn't want it anyway but at least I got that far whereas with the 3080 the buy now button on the NV UK Store went from buy to sold out in a blink of an eye. :lol: For about 20 minutes there was a Zotac 3070 available for an insane £580 but that eventually sold out too. Everything AIB is now on preorder with a minimum 6 week ETA.

It's truly awesome how Nvidia could have screwed up the 30xx launch so badly. I read a report on Digitimes saying AIB partners are heading for a disastrous Q4 and are furious with Nvidia for the chip shortage. They are well aware of all the preorders and can also see all the cancelled orders through the retailers flooding in. Major missed opportunity. Will be interesting how The Jacket tries to spin this in the next earnings call
 
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