Nvidia bringing Gysnc to Freesync monitors

logical said:
HOCP for making a bullshit video. Why not make the comparison completely neutral and not ask questions that lead to answers that you want. Also try using aneutral game as well.

Not that I would trust that bunch of nerds in a basement anyway.
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How else do you ask which looks better, and if an added $200 to the price tag is worth the difference? Please elaborate? Not sure how you define those as questions lead to the answer they want. T hey could have very well have said yes.

The bias and denial is deep among the green team. Funny how I gave credit to both the Red team, and the Green team,.. and you and Exposed can't. The appears the two of you are impossible because you think anything that makes the Red team look good is a conspiracy and a trick.
 
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NWR_Midnight said:
I didn't go out of my way, it took a whole 30 seconds for me to find that review for you. But to educate you: Forza Horizon 4 and Forza 7 use the same engine, just different versions. Hello? It also talks about other games giving AMD the edge, but in turn it also gives Nvidia the edge in other's as well.. I guess that is why you completely ignored the rest of what I said about that very thing, just so you can try and make wise cracks about me that add up to nothing.

Of course I have witnessed the different picture qualities from both camps, hence why I said that AMD does better in some titles, and Nvidia does better in others. Oh but I must be wrong, because it doesn't add up to your bias one way thinking.
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Is that why Morrowind looks the same as Skyrim? Same engine, different versions. :rolleyes:

You couldn't find an apples to apples comparison, we get it. What's amusing is that isn't even the differences these basement gamers were alluding to (and ultimately based their scale on). They were referring to texture detail and lighting on a broader scale, not something you can only see with a zoomed in pixel by pixel comparison. To notice that kind of detail in a moving game at 60+ fps alludes to this being something in the game settings itself. Or, as pointed out in the lighting differences with HDR, a Samsung vs Asus/IPS vs TN difference.

The fact that you're clinging on to an unrelated video is :lol: and just shows how much you're willing to move the goal post to fit your very own bias.
 
Exposed said:
Is that why Morrowind looks the same as Skyrim? Same engine, different versions. :rolleyes:

You couldn't find an apples to apples comparison, we get it. What's amusing is that isn't even the differences these basement gamers were alluding to (and ultimately based their scale on). They were referring to texture detail and lighting on a broader scale, not something you can only see with a zoomed in pixel by pixel comparison. To notice that kind of detail in a moving game at 60+ fps alludes to this being something in the game settings itself. Or, as pointed out in the lighting differences with HDR, a Samsung vs Asus/IPS vs TN difference.

The fact that you're clinging on to an unrelated video is :lol: and just shows how much you're willing to move the goal post to fit your very own bias.
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So, every one tests visual quality on the same games? Get out of hear, that is the first I hear of such a thing! NOT!! get real Exposed, your argument is weak. Because most people don't do visual comparisons on the same games, I took the next best example to show you that AMD does have better quality at times. Forza 7 and Forza Horizon 4 are only 1 year apart, not many changes are going to take place to the engine in a year that is going to change the quality of the game. However 2 games that are 9 years apart they can't even really be considered the same, or even close with all the changes that take place in that amount of time. very weak argument. It's to the point, you are trying to discredit this reviewers findings as well. :lol:

Why are we even having this argument, because you believe that they must have had different setting, because that is the only possible way that AMD could ever look better than Nvidia.. in any game? Just let it go Exposed, you just can't admit that it is possible that AMD could every look better than Nvidia. But see, that is the difference between you and me, I can see both sides, and give credit to both sides.. you can't. Carry on, I'm out.
 
NWR_Midnight said:
I didn't go out of my way, it took a whole 30 seconds for me to find that review for you, you know the ones you implied didn't exist. But to educate you: Forza Horizon 4 and Forza 7 use the same engine. Hello? It also talks about other games giving AMD the edge, but in turn it also gives Nvidia the edge in other's as well.. I guess that is why you completely ignored the rest of what I said about that very thing, just so you can try and make wise cracks about me that add up to nothing.

Of course I have witnessed the different picture qualities from both camps, hence why I said that AMD does better in some titles, and Nvidia does better in others. Oh but I must be wrong, because it doesn't add up to your bias one way thinking.
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The point hes trying to make is the video is flawed. If you know that Forza does better than Nvidia in a certain game than most certainly Kyle from HOCP does as well. Why make a video biased towards AMD? If you want a legit comparison pick the most neutral game(where the difference between AMD and Nvidia is minimal) and bring in random people to test.

Also dont lead the line of questioning. Questioning should be done preferably by written answers so tone of voice doesnt affect the answers. Also, questions should be neutral. Instead of "would you pay 200 dollars more for #1 than 2?" it should be more along the lines of "Would you pay extra money for either system?" Dont lead people where you want them to go if you want unbiased opinions.

On the whole that was a terrible video.
 
NWR_Midnight said:
So, every one tests visual quality on the same games? Get out of hear, that is the first I hear of such a thing! NOT!! get real Exposed, your argument is weak. Because most people don't do visual comparisons on the same games, I took the next best example to show you that AMD does have better quality at times. Forza 7 and Forza Horizon 4 are only 1 year apart, not many changes are going to take place to the engine in a year that is going to change the quality of the game. However 2 games that are 9 years apart they can't even really be considered the same, or even close with all the changes that take place in that amount of time. very weak argument. It's to the point, you are trying to discredit this reviewers findings as well. :lol:

Why are we even having this argument, because you believe that they must have had different setting, because that is the only possible way that AMD could ever look better than Nvidia.. in any game? Just let it go Exposed, you just can't admit that it is possible that AMD could every look better than Nvidia. But see, that is the difference between you and me, I can see both sides, and give credit to both sides.. you can't. Carry on, I'm out.
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So you've moved the goalpost and expect me to kick the ball into it? Not into slimy games like that, sorry. :lol:

Which Forza game did they test again in this video between Freesync and Gsync? When I look at Fallout4 performance and visuals am I going to go watch videos of Skyrim? :lol:

Nothing has really changed, the point I made that when looking purely at motion, they nearly all prefered Gsync. However, many of those tallies were based on image quality outside of the comparison bounds (different detail settings and the quantum dot Samsung would have better looking HDR than the TN Asus) which skewed the results, and then were lead with a loaded question at the end. Seriously others see through this except you.
 
Exposed said:
So you've moved the goalpost and expect me to kick the ball into it? Not into slimy games like that, sorry. :lol:

Which Forza game did they test again in this video between Freesync and Gsync? When I look at Fallout4 performance and visuals am I going to go watch videos of Skyrim? :lol:

Nothing has really changed, the point I made that when looking purely at motion, they nearly all prefered Gsync. However, many of those tallies were based on image quality outside of the comparison bounds (different detail settings and the quantum dot Samsung would have better looking HDR than the TN Asus) which skewed the results, and then were lead with a loaded question at the end. Seriously others see through this except you.
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What?? I didn't move any goal posts.. go read your own comment. You mentioned settings and lighting, etc. You are so full of yourself you can't even keep what you say straight.
 
logical said:
The point hes trying to make is the video is flawed. If you know that Forza does better than Nvidia in a certain game than most certainly Kyle from HOCP does as well. Why make a video biased towards AMD? If you want a legit comparison pick the most neutral game(where the difference between AMD and Nvidia is minimal) and bring in random people to test.

Also dont lead the line of questioning. Questioning should be done preferably by written answers so tone of voice doesnt affect the answers. Also, questions should be neutral. Instead of "would you pay 200 dollars more for #1 than 2?" it should be more along the lines of "Would you pay extra money for either system?" Dont lead people where you want them to go if you want unbiased opinions.

On the whole that was a terrible video.
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So.. because you and Exposed are bias, Kyle must be too. If that was the case, as i said before, he wouldn'd have given Nvidia an edge from the start by using an overclocked, watercooled 1080ti and not a stock 1080. You know, in all fairness.


Also that is not what was said. He said they had different settings, nothing about the game Kyle used.. so now we have went from different settings to Kyle used a game that favors AMD. What's the next excuse going to be.. :lol:
 
NWR_Midnight said:
What?? I didn't move any goal posts.. go read your own comment. You mentioned settings and lighting, etc. You are so full of yourself you can't even keep what you say straight.
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I think it's quite obvious you've lost track of what you're arguing about :lol:

Maybe you should rewatch that video, you know the part where a few mentioned the details and lighting (yes lighting) looked better on AMD, probably because they were comparing a Samsung quantum dot HDR panel to an Asus TN? And they chose system 1 because of it? Despite them stating the motion itself looking smoother with Gsync? Rendering this more of a panel comparison than Freesync vs Gsync?

Are you keeping up now?
 
I wasn't surprised by the answers by being all over the place based on their subjective views with limited testing with time and titles.

The key to investigating is a multitude of titles and worse case examples to me.
 
SIrPauly said:
I wasn't surprised by the answers by being all over the place based on their subjective views with limited testing with time and titles.

The key to investigating is a multitude of titles and worse case examples to me.
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The funny thing is that it really doesn't matter anymore. You can choose between Freesync/Gsync/HDMI 2.1 VRR on the same Nvidia card, so regardless of which one is "better" you can pick and choose based on what you want out of your display, you're no longer limited to one ecosystem.
 
Exposed said:
The funny thing is that it really doesn't matter anymore. You can choose between Freesync/Gsync/HDMI 2.1 VRR on the same Nvidia card, so regardless of which one is "better" you can pick and choose based on what you want out of your display, you're no longer limited to one ecosystem.
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This.
 
Exposed said:
The funny thing is that it really doesn't matter anymore. You can choose between Freesync/Gsync/HDMI 2.1 VRR on the same Nvidia card, so regardless of which one is "better" you can pick and choose based on what you want out of your display, you're no longer limited to one ecosystem.
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Technically it will cost you, for example lets say we have the following. Asus releases an ROG Strix L337 Monitor with three different versions.

1.) ROG Strix L337 Freesync
2.) ROG Strix L337 VRR
3.) ROG Strix L337 GSYNC HDR

Now in these models everything is techincally the same except the GSYNC Model has a GSYNC Module in it. Heres the kicker

1.) $599.99 50/50 it will work
2.) $799.99 Validate By Nvidia for a price ( code added or removed in the driver to make it work )
3.) $1099.99 100% because of Nvidia Tax

Its technically the same monitor just pay more for it too work....

The industry should adopt a model and stick with it. But Ngreedia needs the money.
 
Hapatingjaky said:
Technically it will cost you, for example lets say we have the following. Asus releases an ROG Strix L337 Monitor with three different versions.

1.) ROG Strix L337 Freesync
2.) ROG Strix L337 VRR
3.) ROG Strix L337 GSYNC HDR

Now in these models everything is techincally the same except the GSYNC Model has a GSYNC Module in it. Heres the kicker

1.) $599.99 50/50 it will work
2.) $799.99 Validate By Nvidia for a price ( code added or removed in the driver to make it work )
3.) $1099.99 100% because of Nvidia Tax

Its technically the same monitor just pay more for it too work....

The industry should adopt a model and stick with it. But Ngreedia needs the money.
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If it's the same panel, I would choose option 1 and manually force adaptive sync. Should be no issues if it's Freesync 2.

Realistically, my next display will be a 2019 or 2020 65" LG or Samsung HDMI 2.1 television. Just in time for the next gen video cards, VRR support is built in.
 
I agree that a company should adopt and support industry standards but appreciate a company willing to risk resources going beyond standards to differentiate and improve experiences.
 
NVidia stops actively nerfing your monitor choice and you act like they gave you something?

G-Stink or Gullible-Sync?
 
One of the constructive and fair negatives about nvidia was not supporting a standard. Now they are based on the standard is maturing and garnering traction and is good news over-all.
 
Well they kind of have to if they want to stay in the PC gamer scene for much longer given how monitors and TVs are not going the GSync way. And at some point VRR might even be obligatory for HDMI or DP.
 
I’d hardly call this supporting an open standard. The supported list is a joke.
 
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