NVIDIA might ACTUALLY be EVIL... - WAN Show December 11, 2020

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SuperGeil said:
Krass, this is a really well-thought-out and logical post by you. Reasonable and calm. :D
Sadly I suspect that you're wasting your time.
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Please expound on why you think so, dying to hear it. And please enlighten us on how a reviewer who can get AIB cards must receive the same from the manufacturer.

Kyle Bennett used to buy his own cards and review them as he saw fit just so he would not have to pretend any niceties to anyone so why does any YouTube outfit require free cards to review?
 
SuperGeil said:
There is no way you can be this daft? x86 is not AMD's to open up. They did share the x64 extension with Intel. But seriously... :rolleyes:
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I don't know who you think you are coming here with 57 posts and insulting long standing members but you can take your tone and your attitude somewhere else.
 
acroig said:
I don't know who you think you are coming here with 57 posts and insulting long standing members but you can take your tone and your attitude somewhere else.
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That's okay, the poster may not know about the ability to sub license x86 from Amd.
 
SuperGeil said:
There is no way you can be this daft? x86 is not AMD's to open up. They did share the x64 extension with Intel. But seriously... :rolleyes:
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Hey, Pauly is a good long standing member. You have not established your credibility on this forum. Don't insult members.
 
SIrPauly said:
My post included Intel. And Amd can sub license x86.
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I figured you added that caveat for a reason. I really do think you are clever. There is nothing to suggest anywhere AMD can license out x86. I think you are confusing that they can license out technologies pretaining to x86 that they own, but not x86. Actually, I think you know, which is why I think you are clever. But this begs the question... what is your point actually? You stated that why don't they open up x86, which it's obvious why, but you allude to they can (because they tried in the past) which defeats your first premise to begin with, right?
 
If I remember right, Amd sub licensed part of their x86 ip to a Chinese company. Certainly, not ordinary circumstances.
 
acroig said:
Please expound on why you think so, dying to hear it. And please enlighten us on how a reviewer who can get AIB cards must receive the same from the manufacturer.

Kyle Bennett used to buy his own cards and review them as he saw fit just so he would not have to pretend any niceties to anyone so why does any YouTube outfit require free cards to review?
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I think Lord did a good job as it is. I think the video reviewers did a fantastic job too, if you actually watch them. I think the email speaks for its self. It's not about getting free graphics cards... it's about getting free graphics cards with a stipulation of following their rules or else. It was a bully email, and if you actually looked at their content, it was completely uncalled-for. Those emails are not written by companies who want to fairly compete.

The thing is, this does harm Nvidia. It's not simply graphics. If they are not careful, they will suffer the same handicap AMD enjoy with Intel. You had mobs of people buy Zen 1 and 2 over intel parts even though they were slower. They were just good enough, and good enough is all that is needed for people to ditch Intel.

But I don't care about your style of posting. I read more than a fair share of passive aggressiveness here I don't think daft is harmful. We tend to be blunt and I think shrouding post with subtle trolling is more offensive...
 
acroig said:
Please expound on why you think so, dying to hear it. And please enlighten us on how a reviewer who can get AIB cards must receive the same from the manufacturer.

Kyle Bennett used to buy his own cards and review them as he saw fit just so he would not have to pretend any niceties to anyone so why does any YouTube outfit require free cards to review?
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i think all should have to
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but really free cards :lol:

how many people and how many hours work does it take HU and alike to do that free review that sells all those not so free cards that we buy :hmm:
me it would be a lot more than the card is worth of my time to do those reviews


those cards are not free and i think some have to send them back after the reviews are done

AMD or NV send out cards for reviews for themselves not for the fu*king reviews or the good of their hearts

and when they send them out for independent review by a independent reviewer they don't get to tell them what to say or how to do it
or it is not a independent review and you might as well go by what the Jacket tells you to do

true NV can if they want only send cards ONLY to selected and approved reviewers by NV

and no one in their right mind will ever trust those shill reviews
i'm sure some for the right price would tell us to " Just buy it "
 
Free to test then? Seriously, this whole things silly now. nV is not good or evil, it's a company seeking profit. Who they choose to share review products with is their choice, there's no entitlement here is there? The whole thing was a PR fiasco anyways.

Kyle had it right, buy the hardware you want to review.
 
acroig said:
Free to test then? Seriously, this whole things silly now. nV is not good or evil, it's a company seeking profit. Who they choose to share review products with is their choice, there's no entitlement here is there? The whole thing was a PR fiasco anyways.

Kyle had it right, buy the hardware you want to review.
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This is why I said a few post back, this is obviously a waste of time here. :lol:
and it's not about free graphics cards. Watch HU's own video on the matter, they even state they have no problem with buying their hardware, since they don't do day 1 reviews.
 
acroig said:
Free to test then? Seriously, this whole things silly now. nV is not good or evil, it's a company seeking profit. Who they choose to share review products with is their choice, there's no entitlement here is there? The whole thing was a PR fiasco anyways.

Kyle had it right, buy the hardware you want to review.
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Then we might not have had many reviews this year:lol: .
 
Your point was Amd is helpless with licensing x86. I have provided an example of Amd sub licensing x86 technologies for a creation of a Chinese x86 CPU. Where never going to see totally open x86 or x64 because of leverage and control.
 
SIrPauly said:
Your point was Amd is helpless with licensing x86. I have provided an example of Amd sub licensing x86 technologies for a creation of a Chinese x86 CPU. Where never going to see totally open x86 or x64 because of leverage and control.
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They did not license x86, meine Güte! :lol:
They can't license any technologies Intel owns. So when they licensed out their IP to these chinese firms, they actually didn't. They have to have majority share of these companies, so they don't fringe on Intel as per their agreement. Helpless, no, extremely annoying? Probably.

This is what you stated because I think you are just being difficult on purpose.
-you stated that why don't they open up x86? (let's admit, this was you being clever and difficult)
-I stated they can't
-you stated they can because China

Let's ignore the everything else and get back to the core of the matter... is point 3 contradicting to point 1?
 
acroig said:
Free to test then? Seriously, this whole things silly now. nV is not good or evil, it's a company seeking profit. Who they choose to share review products with is their choice, there's no entitlement here is there? The whole thing was a PR fiasco anyways.

Kyle had it right, buy the hardware you want to review.
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yes and yes

but if NV limits the reviews to a few of friendly reviewers i wouldn't trust them

too many reviews are pro one side or the other now and you have to have both to get a good picture of a new card

start limiting who gets a card from one side and we can't trust them .
 
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