Vega Owners Thread

bill dennison said:
699

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...14126232&cm_re=vega_64-_-14-126-232-_-Product

nope it has to drop more than that before I will think about it
I only paid 80 bucks more than that for my 1080 ti strix 1708 MHz

even if the ti strix is up almost 200 bucks now for some dumb reason :nuts:

maybe after the 1st prices will drop
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AMD and the AIB's are milking the miners at the moment so prices won't drop anytime soon as the miners are hovering them up. In the UK the cheapest AIB is the Powercolor Devil for £635 ($825) and the ASUS ROG Strix is going for £800 ($1,040) :lol: :lol: No more AMD reference cards available and I paid £449 ($584) which now seems like a bargain. Expect Navi to cost a whole lot more!!
 
LordHawkwind said:
AMD and the AIB's are milking the miners at the moment so prices won't drop anytime soon as the miners are hovering them up. In the UK the cheapest AIB is the Powercolor Devil for £635 ($825) and the ASUS ROG Strix is going for £800 ($1,040) :lol: :lol: No more AMD reference cards available and I paid £449 ($584) which now seems like a bargain. Expect Navi to cost a whole lot more!!
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AMD should try partnering with Steam to sell cards direct to gamers. Limit purchases to 1 card per 6 months or allocate based on years active/amount spent on games. Worst case scenario miners have to buy hundreds of dollars of Steam games to snatch a GPU at MSRP. Combine it with the Steam hardware survey and Steam can recommend a graphics card upgrade based on your rig and game library.
 
GTwannabe said:
AMD should try partnering with Steam to sell cards direct to gamers. Limit purchases to 1 card per 6 months or allocate based on years active/amount spent on games. Worst case scenario miners have to buy hundreds of dollars of Steam games to snatch a GPU at MSRP. Combine it with the Steam hardware survey and Steam can recommend a graphics card upgrade based on your rig and game library.
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GTwannabe AMD and Nvidia to be fair are loving the mining craze as they are selling a sh*t load of GPU's way more than gamers would ever buy. Miners are a win-win for both of them.
 
LordHawkwind said:
GTwannabe AMD and Nvidia to be fair are loving the mining craze as they are selling a sh*t load of GPU's way more than gamers would ever buy. Miners are a win-win for both of them.
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they need to make mining only cards that do it better and cost a little more and don't game worth crap
like vega :p

then block mining from gaming cards in drivers if not hardware

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the other thing miners have done is kill used cards as you never know if it was a mining card and has tens of thousands of hours on it
 
Well I just bought a Vega FE for $749 - yep for mining. One Vega with the block chain driver for Monero, CryptoNight algorithm coins is astounding. It takes basically 3 1080Ti ( 760h/s) to beat one Vega 64 or Vega FE (56 does the same) at 2050h/s with core at 1300mhz, 1.0v ram at 1100mhz.

I was for awhile making over $10/day with the Vega 64 while the 1080Ti was about 8$/day mining the highest price coins I could find and setup. Yes there are a number of coins Nvidia kicks ass at, so both camps will probably sell out cards as fast as they can make them.

FE is one hell of a beautiful card and in the end really does not perform that much slower than a Vega 64 LC when playing games - you would have a hard time telling the difference especially with Freesync. One thing that is unique/cool and frustrating is the Radeon Pro drivers you can load two additional drivers (3 total) and switch between then, takes about 1min to 2min. Pro drivers for professional applications, game drivers for games and block chain drivers (except it is a pia for the last but doable).
 
LordHawkwind said:
GTwannabe AMD and Nvidia to be fair are loving the mining craze as they are selling a sh*t load of GPU's way more than gamers would ever buy. Miners are a win-win for both of them.
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AMD and NV don't benefit from mining; they sell GPUs directly to OEMs and AIB partners. They don't make more money per GPU when miners gobble up all the cards and drive up retail prices. They also can't churn out more GPUs to exploit mining because TSMC/GF fab capacity is limited and contracts are negotiated months or years in advance.

Retailers are hesitant to stock more cards to exploit mining due the volatility. Board partners get burned by greatly increased warranty claims and sales tank when miners dump a GPU on the secondary market.

The final problem is mindshare. Few people buy 1080 Ti's and Titans but those halo products help move a ton of 1050/1060 laptops and desktops. Polaris/Vega/Navi can't help move Zen APUs if gamers can't get their hands on the cards.
 
Funny as hell.....The desktop version of Vega 64 8GB is very close to 1000$ in Canada, but now Newegg lists the 16GB frontier edition at the same price and in stock ( 999$ ):



https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814105073


Go figure the logic in this one, cause i can't....It's still limited to one unit per order, but even then there's nothing stopping anyone to make two separate orders, just like i did for the water cooled versions i bought 3 months ago, for the same price.
 
AMD is in twilight zone this is good and bad at the same time.With Ryzen immunity and price makes Ryzen suddenly very apealing and vega is comming strong in crypto .... Intel has horsepower but in this moment this is not relevant anymore with all this security ... :)
 
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badsykes said:
Now most of the forum know that your ... evil ! :evil:
Is perfect for finland.You guys have more months of winter and colder so this will heat your room for free... Just mine a little .... ouppps i meant game a little :D
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It's sad to see it come to this to be honest, with owners of either Vega or GTX1080's boasting how good they are on mining rather than gaming, and considering buying more of them for mining workloads thru 2018 and beyond, and this includes the Titan V using the volta GV100 and it's 3000$ price tag, which seems to be the **** when mining Etherium.


Seems gamers will be taking even more of a backseat for quite a while longer still, so on AMD's end not having Navi release this year doesn't make much of an impact if we want to primarily game, since even if the card rocks it'll be miners buying them left and right if they also kick ass at mining, and the price skyrockets due to demand......Same crap as today, but with a new generation of hardware ( rince and repeat ad nauseum ).
 
shadow001 said:
It's sad to see it come to this to be honest, with owners of either Vega or GTX1080's boasting how good they are on mining rather than gaming, and considering buying more of them for mining workloads thru 2018 and beyond, and this includes the Titan V using the volta GV100 and it's 3000$ price tag, which seems to be the **** when mining Etherium.


Seems gamers will be taking even more of a backseat for quite a while longer still, so on AMD's end not having Navi release this year doesn't make much of an impact if we want to primarily game, since even if the card rocks it'll be miners buying them left and right if they also kick ass at mining, and the price skyrockets due to demand......Same crap as today, but with a new generation of hardware ( rince and repeat ad nauseum ).
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I won't be surprised if Navi will be next a monster GPU miner. Of course, miners would replace all of their old GPUs with new Navi GPUs....there'll be another GPU shortage again.
 
Well that vega64 was mainly bought for Freesync and the nephew I think is not at all interested in cryptocurrencies.. too much trouble for the money.
 
Treeckcold57 said:
I won't be surprised if Navi will be next a monster GPU miner. Of course, miners would replace all of their old GPUs with new Navi GPUs....there'll be another GPU shortage again.
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Check how insane prices have gotten on this article.....Affects both AMD and Nvidia over each one's entire product line:


http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ethereum-effect-graphics-card-prices,34928.html


RX 580 launched at 230$, but cards are selling between 500 and 700$ at Newegg......:nuts:
 
It seems that the DSRV feature present in Vega, which basically amounts to tiling within the Geometry pipeline and would allow a performance speedup because it renders only what the user can see, requires updates to the DX12 and Vulkan API's, and AMD is no longer trying to implement it directly from the driver itself in the latest tech conference it held ( I'm guessing it's done thru a custom extension ? ).


The other main feature that allows to set system memory as additional cache is implemented in the drivers, even though the 8GB onboard the card isn't a problem on any current title, as well as half precision math which we'll see in far cry 5 for the first time.....There's 26 teraflop on tap in this mode, so we'll see if it shines or not soon enough since the game will be out in March.



There's an article over at Guru 3D quoting Lisa Su, and that gaming still remains a focus despite the staff reorganization, but that computing parts will be released over the next 2 odd years, and that more money in R&D has been invested in 2017 than any previous year, so we'll see dividends from it in the coming years.
 
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