What new GPU are you leaning towards?

[moshpit]

i guess working with Sony and Microsoft on RT and reverse engineering Turing for 2 years it's just not possible AMD might not come up something just as good or heaven forbid better

As I said, it would be mean of me to tell you to hold your breath waiting for that. Good luck. You have my sincere hope your fantasy turns real. NOTHING has indicated any of the company's are super proud of their implementation of DXR 1.1, and fact, when companies are proud they leak like a sieve.

Ray tracing performance mum tells me enough to know not to wish that you hold your breath waiting. I would hate to see you suffocate while demonstrating such amazing patience and all

 

[Spencer]

A 3090 of course, if I hire someone to reinstall my games and other software on a new Win 10 pc. I hate the hassle of that, all that waiting to put back all those games. No not going to hire anyone. I should probably get Spectrum high speed internet to help with that considerably.

 

[Leprechaun]

A 3090 of course, if I hire someone to reinstall my games and other software on a new Win 10 pc. I hate the hassle of that, all that waiting to put back all those games. No not going to hire anyone. I should probably get Spectrum high speed internet to help with that considerably.

Don't you have win10 on a usb stick?
I put all my games on a separate nvme drive. Already installed and working after a fresh win 10 install. Steam cloud takes care of the saves. (Why they save on C: all the time anyways. I blame Bill Gates for this since win 2000?

Gigabit internet takes care of any downloads anyways. I hit 118MB/sec on steam. Wish other places were as fast.

 

[moshpit]

A 3090 of course, if I hire someone to reinstall my games and other software on a new Win 10 pc. I hate the hassle of that, all that waiting to put back all those games. No not going to hire anyone. I should probably get Spectrum high speed internet to help with that considerably.

Should store Steam on it's own drive, then it's always easy to reinstall Steam and have all your games already installed, they just have to run through a quick process in Steam but do not redownload again at all. Very nice way to save time from one Windows install to the next.

I've kept Steam on it's own drive since 2005 and have only had to reinstall a couple of games that didn't like the transfer process in the past, a very rare occurrence though. Most games just rerun the Dx installer one time, maybe a few of the Visual C++ thingies, and then is usually ready to play.

Usually the only thing I ever have to reinstall are drivers and a few applications. The games, movies, and other entertainment stuff is all ready to go on their own drives to reattach as needed.

 

[KAC]

Mosh how is the PNY card? Can you post some details about default boost clocks, temperatures and OC boost clocks and temperatures?

 

[acroig]

Mosh how is the PNY card? Can you post some details about default boost clocks, temperatures and OC boost clocks and temperatures?

Been begging Mosh to post a proper review for a while....

 

[andino]

There needs to be an option for, "A real life physical one that I can easily buy."...

 

[Leprechaun]

There needs to be an option for, "A real life physical one that I can easily buy."...

That's what I was going to type, but these forums never let me log on anymore. So buggy, why?

Option: "Whichever card is actual on shelves: RTX 3080 or 6900 XT"

 

[moshpit]

Mosh how is the PNY card? Can you post some details about default boost clocks, temperatures and OC boost clocks and temperatures?

I did post most of that in another thread, but I don't mind relating them. Default boost clocks seem to fall between the upper 1800's and lower 1900's and fluctuate in there mostly. Menus cause spikes to 2010 or so at worst. Temperatures are REALLY good, I mean purely awesome.

At default clocks temps hover around 75C under load unless my windows are open and AC is off, then it climbs to around 80C.

With the new VERY slight overclock, it's running only a degree warmer overall average, it seems. I've seen it get to 76C several times today while experimenting with a 4% power bump and 100mhz bump. Boost clocks didn't go up a full 100mhz though, average sits between 1850 and 1950mhz with the OC and power bump.

Performance is AMAZING, but is very "age" sensitive for CPU bottlenecking in benchmarks or games, and by age I mean older games and benchmarks clearly benefit less, and seriously older stuff ends up flat lining against even 1080 Ti, CPU becomes the sole bottleneck at that point. Bumping up resolution with older stuff helps, but this card at 4K with old enough games are still HYPER CPU limited.

New games and benchmarks show up to slightly more than double the performance of the 1080 Ti, in some cases a LOT more than double. Examples are Superposition and Final Fantasy XV both show over double the performance of the 1080 Ti, but throw 3Dmark 06 in there and the scores don't budge at all, PURE CPU bottleneck.

I do not intend to swap CPUs out until Ryzen 5900XT is out, then snagging one of those. Should net a nice GPU speed boost for older stuff to have more CPU pumping data at the GPU.

I'm still playing around with clocks and power limit a bit, I didn't expect it to be so responsive to more power so early in testing. A 4% power increase + 100mhz over default netted a 7% increase in performance in Boundary. That is the best case, everything is averaging out around 4-5%, but that 7% shows how power hungry this GPU is when it's the limiting factor.

 

[KAC]

I did post most of that in another thread, but I don't mind relating them. Default boost clocks seem to fall between the upper 1800's and lower 1900's and fluctuate in there mostly. Menus cause spikes to 2010 or so at worst. Temperatures are REALLY good, I mean purely awesome.

At default clocks temps hover around 75C under load unless my windows are open and AC is off, then it climbs to around 80C.

With the new VERY slight overclock, it's running only a degree warmer overall average, it seems. I've seen it get to 76C several times today while experimenting with a 4% power bump and 100mhz bump. Boost clocks didn't go up a full 100mhz though, average sits between 1850 and 1950mhz with the OC and power bump.

Performance is AMAZING, but is very "age" sensitive for CPU bottlenecking in benchmarks or games, and by age I mean older games and benchmarks clearly benefit less, and seriously older stuff ends up flat lining against even 1080 Ti, CPU becomes the sole bottleneck at that point. Bumping up resolution with older stuff helps, but this card at 4K with old enough games are still HYPER CPU limited.

New games and benchmarks show up to slightly more than double the performance of the 1080 Ti, in some cases a LOT more than double. Examples are Superposition and Final Fantasy XV both show over double the performance of the 1080 Ti, but throw 3Dmark 06 in there and the scores don't budge at all, PURE CPU bottleneck.

I do not intend to swap CPUs out until Ryzen 5900XT is out, then snagging one of those. Should net a nice GPU speed boost for older stuff to have more CPU pumping data at the GPU.

I'm still playing around with clocks and power limit a bit, I didn't expect it to be so responsive to more power so early in testing. A 4% power increase + 100mhz over default netted a 7% increase in performance in Boundary. That is the best case, everything is averaging out around 4-5%, but that 7% shows how power hungry this GPU is when it's the limiting factor.

Thanks. Have you tried undervolting it. Many people seem to get more stable and higher clocks with lower temps due to the undervolt.

 

[moshpit]

I will say this though, build quality is AMAZING, and certainly significantly higher seeming than the Gigabyte Aorus GTX 1080 Ti that was replaced. The shroud of the 1080 Ti always seemed a tad flimsy to me, I did not like it at all. Also, Gigabyte seemed to waste a lot of materials on the shroud for no purpose other than aesthetics.

The PNY shroud is SOLID feeling, no material wasted on aesthetics that ends up just feeling flimsy. No part of the outer shell feels or looks cheap in person. The metal highlight parts around the plastic part of the shroud are actually much more solid than pictures make them appear, and the backplate is just PERFECTION for my tastes.

I think this card is rapidly turning me into a PNY fanboy, I have to say. It's stable, ridiculously fast, and just looks DAMNED good in my case!

One note, I ended up using the slot support in the bottom of the case to sit on the bottom line of wires and obstruct view of them. Did not need it for the card itself, it's perfectly level on it's own.

 

[KAC]

Looks nice. That is the wrong way to install an AIO though. Gonna bust a pump one of these days.

 

[moshpit]

Thanks. Have you tried undervolting it. Many people seem to get more stable and higher clocks with lower temps due to the undervolt.

Yes. It does not net any higher clocks for undervolting, but did run cooler. It did not lose any clocks, however, which was interesting. The clocks DID stabilize though and locked in at a flat 1910mhz or so with little fluctuation. However, it loses a small but measurable amount of performance versus the 104% overvolt setting doing so.

At this point I'm mainly still playing around and getting used to it. I will probably revert to the undervolted mode once I'm done getting a feel for the minor bit of overclocking experimenting I'm doing, but I won't clock it hard at all, that would be like slapping PNY in the face if I burned it up.

They made a real effort to make sure I got a card. So I will be mostly treating this card with kids gloves as far as clocks and power goes. A little bit of clocking in no biggy, but not gonna push for any 2+Ghz heights.

 

[moshpit]

Looks nice. That is the wrong way to install an AIO though. Gonna bust a pump one of these days.

Let me ask you, how many have you installed? My answer is dozens, some over a decade old and still running for the people I installed them for. ORIGINAL Corsair H70 from it's launch, literally still keeping it's processor cool and running like a champ... mounted exactly like mine. AND, they don't have tubes running through the middle of everything like some careless mess...

You don't know what you're talking about. But then I've only ever seen one dead AIO to begin with, and it was brought to me like that. Of the MANY I've handled, only seen a single dead one. They do not die easily in my experience, you really have to abuse them or have crap luck of the draw on factory defective pump.

 

[Nascar24]

It does appear to be wrong......

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[KAC]

Not sure what has made you change your attitude moshpit. Enjoy your card.

 

[Mangler]

Guise, it's not the optimal orientation but it will still work, you will just have some air occasionally passing through the pump once in a while.

 

[moshpit]

Not sure what has made you change your attitude moshpit. Enjoy your card.

When you tried instructing somebody with family business in hydrothermal dynamics, you ticked me off. Told me it's damaging the pump with NO actual proof. Unless a pump runs dry, which it won't, that cannot happen. IF you even get AIR BUBBLES in your AIO, Corsair recommends the following (which my machine ABSOLUTELY adheres to)

"Make sure the pump is not the highest point in your loop so that air collects in the radiator instead of in the pump."

SO you are full of it and no, my method is not only NOT wrong, it is well within Corsair recommended standards.

https://help.corsair.com/hc/en-us/a...Fix-rattling-or-bubbling-sounds-in-AIO-cooler

I think it ticked me off that you felt the need to lay a inaccurate observation as a criticism. Had it been something legitimate, I would actually be thanking you for spotting it

 

[moshpit]

It does appear to be wrong......

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Yeah, I'm thinking you need to get off Youtube and get on Corsair's website before you give advice... Personally, I don't credit ANY Youtuber over the original equipment manufacturers advice.

 

[Nascar24]

Yeah, I'm thinking you need to get off Youtube and get on Corsair's website before you give advice... Personally, I don't credit ANY Youtuber over the original equipment manufacturers advice.

Yea whatever, your doing it wrong. He even showed you why, not sure what to tell you. This guy I believe knows more then you do when it comes to AIO. Ask just about anyone else here, he is spot on, on most everything he does. He also states the manufactures are also to blame. Yes it will work, it will work anyway you put it in the system, but it is not optimal and promotes failure. You should chill and take advice when you are wrong.