Nvidia caught cheating again!
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Wings_SWmud
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Well hey...I've convinced 3 people to go with ATi instead of nVidia in the past 48 hours, and got myself a 9700 NP...are you doing your bit for ATi? 
digitalwanderer
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Wow, good for him! Ati gave me a 9700 Pro and I still cream me jeans half the time at the sheer beauty of the games/gameplay with that wonder! (And on a lowly Celeron 1.4Ghz no less, BEAUTIFUL!!!!Timz0r said:My buddy just got a 5900 Ultra 256MB and it rocks.
)Me PC now has enough legs to run anything I want with eye-candy and I betcha it'll run Half-life2 great.
Tell your friend to enjoy his 5900 and to hang on to it....V5 6000's are worth a pretty penny now a days.
Yeuemmaimai
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DW even a 9500 PRo can run apps better than a 5900 Ultra it appears....my 3dmark 2K3 score is better than a 5900 ultras...
digitalwanderer said:Wow, good for him! Ati gave me a 9700 Pro and I still cream me jeans half the time at the sheer beauty of the games/gameplay with that wonder! (And on a lowly Celeron 1.4Ghz no less, BEAUTIFUL!!!!
Me PC now has enough legs to run anything I want with eye-candy and I betcha it'll run Half-life2 great.
Tell your friend to enjoy his 5900 and to hang on to it....V5 6000's are worth a pretty penny now a days.
digitalwanderer
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Please do NOT put nVnews & [t]ardOCP together like that!
Please do NOT put nVnews & [t]ardOCP together like that!
nVnews is NOT comparable to [t] by any means, nVnews still has quite a bit of integrity & intelligence. All [t]'s got is Brent.
Seriously, nVnews are NOT the bad guys here and are being extrodinarily cool. Let's show 'em the light instead of bashing them, they're fellow geeks after all and their video manufacturer is harshing the bejesus out of 'em!
I really like nVnews, and I like a lot of the people there. They aren't our enemies over there, they're just friends you ain't met yet.
Please do NOT put nVnews & [t]ardOCP together like that!
nVnews is leagues and away in a better class than [t]! Half the mods over there are seeing the light and about 75-90% of the boards are totally against and down on what nVidia is doing!Unit01 said:Well no nv ******** without nvnews and [T] backing em up
nVnews is NOT comparable to [t] by any means, nVnews still has quite a bit of integrity & intelligence. All [t]'s got is Brent.
Seriously, nVnews are NOT the bad guys here and are being extrodinarily cool. Let's show 'em the light instead of bashing them, they're fellow geeks after all and their video manufacturer is harshing the bejesus out of 'em!
I really like nVnews, and I like a lot of the people there. They aren't our enemies over there, they're just friends you ain't met yet.
digitalwanderer
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That's why I think the 5900 Ultra is going to be a collectors item.Yeuemmaimai said:
I don't think it'll be worth a lot because it's good, I think it will be worth a lot since they ain't going to sell a lot of them and because when we look back on it we're going to say it was the card that turned nVidia around/broke & killed them...depending on how this keeps developing.
BTW-My special friend hasn't returned me two e-mails from yesterday, I'm getting worried he doesn't love me!
TheMonkeyBoyz
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I wish ATI had stuck with the 9500 Pro instead of the 9600.
That said, I think that the best buy out there is the 9700 Pro right now.
I am not sure what up with the updated, increased clock speed 5600 from Nvidia, but I still don't see how it can beat the 9700 Pro.
I need to read some reviews on that.
The 5900 hardware looks promising compared to the 5800 but I don't know how well it will compare when you take the cheats out.
That said, I think that the best buy out there is the 9700 Pro right now.
I am not sure what up with the updated, increased clock speed 5600 from Nvidia, but I still don't see how it can beat the 9700 Pro.
I need to read some reviews on that.
The 5900 hardware looks promising compared to the 5800 but I don't know how well it will compare when you take the cheats out.
digitalwanderer
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I agree with ya on the 9500 Pro, but I understand why ATi did it. The 9600 is a LOT cheaper to make, so they're able to put an affordable & good product on the market. (The 9600 while not as good as the 9500 is STILL nothing to sneeze at!TheMonkeyBoyz said:
)You must be richer than me, I'm recomending a good vanilla 9700 as the card to get right now if'n you're on an extreme budget like I usually am. Same bandwidth as the 9700 & features, just clocked a little lower.....and that's a problem that is FUN to rectify.
But if the price difference ain't much I'd grab a 9700 Pro over a vanilla 9700 fer sure.
TheMonkeyBoyz
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digitalwanderer said:I agree with ya on the 9500 Pro, but I understand why ATi did it. The 9600 is a LOT cheaper to make, so they're able to put an affordable & good product on the market. (The 9600 while not as good as the 9500 is STILL nothing to sneeze at!
You must be richer than me, I'm recomending a good vanilla 9700 as the card to get right now if'n you're on an extreme budget like I usually am. Same bandwidth as the 9700 & features, just clocked a little lower.....and that's a problem that is FUN to rectify.
But if the price difference ain't much I'd grab a 9700 Pro over a vanilla 9700 fer sure.
Not rich at all, just saved for 2 years to buy the new system.
My wife is the big money maker now. We realized as we got ready to get married that two high profile careers were not conducive to a happy relationship. First marriage for both and I've had my 15+ years in the industry. She is a few years younger and it is her time to shine, so I work out of the house and let her bring in the big-time cash.
Soon the 9500 pro and 9700 pro are going to be hard to find I think, so I'm lucky I got the 9800 Pro.
I was actually going to get the 5800 from Nvidia, based on the fact that I have been so happy with my Leadtek GF3 TI 500, but when I read about how cruddy the card was and how the 9800 Pro was just a faster, slightly more optimized version of the successful 9700 Pro, I figured, why not.
I'm not sure what I want to do with my life, and I'm only 6 months past 35. Worked way too hard for all those years and got burn-out on the tech stuff. Sure have learned a lot though. Still, taking naps, doing my digital photography, a bit of consulting on the side and playing with my computer is a good thing (not a Martha Stewart good thing, but you get the idea).
I've done a ton of different things in my life, just gotta figure what I want to do next I guess.
For now, I'm semi-retired. Or, maybe it is a "career sabbatical". Whatever, I'm lucky to be able to chill for a while and watch my forehead grow as my hair recedes.
w00t!
Akumajo
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Remember that all the reason for making the 9600 is so that ATI can gather research into .13 micron technology instead of risking making their next GPU a cooling failiure like Nvidia's Nv 30 and Nv 35 are.
It was also more expensive to make the 9500 in .15 micron because of the high transistor count.
Someotherdude said:Yawn... another day another Nvidia cheat. Their drivers are still the gold-cheat standard, right?
The first person who made that quote was John Carmack at last year's E3 2002 demonstration of DooM III on ATI's then R300 prototype card.
In other words he was saying that even though D3 was shown on ATI's card, that Nvidia's drivers were his (JC's) "gold standard"
Of course now that is a very obsolete remark and Nvidia is still milking that for all its worth.
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dream caster
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When I first read that article i was laughing about 20 minutes!
this story is almost unbelievable.
Now I'm mad at Nvidia. I may expand, use all relevant links and publish this sketch i have of them:
some history
je-sun Nvidia CEO: "they are smoking hallucinogens if they think they are gonna come back"
- they cornered small sites not to show 3dfx cards
- they said they complied with DirectX internal precision standards; they didn't and there are serious doubts they do now, they hid the lousy rendering they got because of that.
- they lied about pixels per clock in FX5800
- they announced a big memory bandwith for FX5800: 48MB/s later it appeared to be "un"effective bandwith. (They were claiming this based on 16MB/s bandwith and a compression algorithm pretendedly allowing 3 times savings on its use)
- The rules-filled and blindered way they hand video cards and mainboards to make reviews
- they even try to change the commonly used names to change perception of their products (the Big Brother strategy)
- Without denying their big merits, when you looked at forums Nforce2 mainboard users pointed some serious flaws as BIOS and SATA RAID data corruption; these never got discussed on bigger sites front pages. Why?
- Many sites told nothing about their cheating
Wunderchu
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here's Extremetech's article on this situation:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1119831,00.asp
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1119831,00.asp
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The ***** I have about the Nvidia cheating, is Futuremark scores are good as gold. So magazine reviews 2 months ago all said that NVidia kicks ATI's ass with the new cards, and they back it up with Future Mark scores. The scores are published, and how many will post corrections that the reviews are faulty?
I have seen a great benchmark on a german site http://www.3dcenter.org/artikel/r9500+9700+9800_vs_gffx5200+5600+5800/zj_bench_counter-strike_a.php" that shows real fps from games, and the ATI lines are faster.
Too bad Future mark kissed Nvidia's ass and said they where not cheating. Guess its time for a new benchmark company. (Maybe ATI is willing to help sponser?)
BTW, nice to see my ATI 9700 PRO purchase is still in the top speeds, not bad for a card 7 months old already.
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The ***** I have about the Nvidia cheating, is Futuremark scores are good as gold. So magazine reviews 2 months ago all said that NVidia kicks ATI's ass with the new cards, and they back it up with Future Mark scores. The scores are published, and how many will post corrections that the reviews are faulty?
I have seen a great benchmark on a german site http://www.3dcenter.org/artikel/r9500+9700+9800_vs_gffx5200+5600+5800/zj_bench_counter-strike_a.php" that shows real fps from games, and the ATI lines are faster.
Too bad Future mark kissed Nvidia's ass and said they where not cheating. Guess its time for a new benchmark company. (Maybe ATI is willing to help sponser?)
BTW, nice to see my ATI 9700 PRO purchase is still in the top speeds, not bad for a card 7 months old already.
BAHH!! Well I haven't trusted any 3dmark or whatever (even if it's finnish company made=) testing programs. Ever since I bought just released radeon 9700 and it can't even deal with the.. f game cs I always play. Now I've to use this paldy old GF2 GTS 32 .p (dirty old) to play cs and stuff and it runs even ut2k3 decently. Well atleast I can shout at my friends "I GOT RADEON 9700 ON MY SECOND MACHINE". Read this!! NEVER GONNA BUY ATI PRODUCT!! (well I spent some good bit of my savings for that card, and I can see this with alot of cs gamers out there)