Reread it again. Digest information = good.
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Reread it again. Digest information = good.
metroidfox
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Fixed.
What the heck does an NIC card have to do with '% of percent'?
moshpit
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It's saying something unnecessary. NIC=network interface card. So saying "NIC card" is redundant and is often the butt of many tech jokes. Just like saying "97% of percent" was redundant and was the intended butt of a similar joke. Seems my sence of humor went over a few heads there 
metroidfox
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It's saying something unnecessary. NIC=network interface card. So saying "NIC card" is redundant and is often the butt of many tech jokes. Just like saying "97% of percent" was redundant and was the intended butt of a similar joke. Seems my sence of humor went over a few heads there
Oh yeah! Holy crap - I do not believe I did not notice that.
acroig
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Same here. Despite claims to the contray (no rants by anyone?
) G80 will launch ahead of R600. I think this is good because since G80 is not based on a unified architecture as R600 is we'll get to compare how these two DX10 cards' different approach work out. I think that R600 will be with us before x-mas so I'll wait to see the two giants battle it out.Now, what about DX10.1? Skip both G80 and R600 and wait some more?
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acroig
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Think about it. We all rush out and buy R600s or G80s. By mid 2007 (pure speculation Sound Card) MS releases 10.1. Our cards don't do 10.1 so we all have to shell out $500 or more again.
Get my drift?
I know, the waiting game is a biatch, but I want to make an informed decision that will last me 12 months.
moshpit
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Heh, I bought a 9700 Pro AIW back when Dx9 was newborn. I found myself upgrading to a 9800 Pro a year later, and a 9800XT a few moths later (tho that was just because I had some spare cash). New Dx generation will evolve, nothing we can do about it except upgrade to keep up when it's called for.
I see R600 being similar to R300 in that way. It's going to be the TRUE choice of Dx10 over G80, tho G80 won't fare nearly as bad with Dx10 as Nv30 did with Dx9 I think. I don't see G80 as another Nv30, but R600 could easily pull out another R300 situation I think.
I see R600 being similar to R300 in that way. It's going to be the TRUE choice of Dx10 over G80, tho G80 won't fare nearly as bad with Dx10 as Nv30 did with Dx9 I think. I don't see G80 as another Nv30, but R600 could easily pull out another R300 situation I think.
acroig
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So far I'm in agreement about R600. I promise not to pull the trigger on G80 until I see R600 benchies (Crysis hopefully).
moshpit
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Oh, I cannot make that promise myself. As I said, while I definately foresee R600 being the top choice for Dx10, I also foresee G80 being AMAZINGLY powerful on it's own in comparison to our existing generation cards (even X1950XT included) and could very easily tempt me in. I'm apt to buy when I have the cash on hand and waiting could see me without the money anymore far to often.
I see the G80 versus R600 situation as VERY similar to what we have now with AMD and Intel CPUs. Intel has the best right now, hands down, but it's not the best because of ANY weakness in AMD's lineup holding them back. R600 will be the absolute top Dx10 card, but not because G80 sucks in ANY way, but because it's just that freaking good.
I see the G80 versus R600 situation as VERY similar to what we have now with AMD and Intel CPUs. Intel has the best right now, hands down, but it's not the best because of ANY weakness in AMD's lineup holding them back. R600 will be the absolute top Dx10 card, but not because G80 sucks in ANY way, but because it's just that freaking good.
moshpit
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All G80 has to do to impress me is release a "8800GT" with the ability to outperform the 7900GTX by around 20% or so and give me Dx10 support. Since we can expect the GT flavor to launch in the $350 or so range, that'll suit my needs just fine. Falling short of any of those easy to meet requirements tho will see me having to wait for "X2800XL" or whatever it'll be called.
Sound_Card
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I can picture G80 beating R600 in DX9. I just don't see it being the winner in DX10.
Too early to say, but here is my assumption...
Crytek is a ATI sponsored company, Crysis is a DX10 game (with a DX9 path as well), and I would think with this in mind, ATI will win the Crysis crown.
acroig
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I see what you mean. Now that nV has some strong competition from ATI, unlike last summer when the 7800GTX released unchallenged, this time thing are different. Yes, a $350 8800GT would be tempting, but I hope I'm strong enought to wait for R600.
Now all we need is confirmation that Crysis will be released by x-mas and we're all set!
Now all we need is confirmation that Crysis will be released by x-mas and we're all set!
acroig
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Exactly, that's why I want to wait. The only game out in the near horizon that will make me upgrade is Crysis. Everything else this year my 7800GTX can handle well.
Sound_Card
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Ya, my x1800gto2 should hold me off as well.
I think in order to play Crysis and Ut07 with good eye candy, we will need either R600 or G80. Exactly like you, I'm waiting for these cards. I'm getting exited on what they are going to bring to the table. Something like a x2800gto would be nice. I don't know if I can shell out money for the real deal.
Crytek is an ATi sponsored company yes, but they tend to be mid ground and use what ever is best for the cry engine in terms of performance for different venders (although some demos were specific for ATi), also nV has a nack for filling in weaknesses (Doom 3). One thing that is something to watch for in branching performance, nV doesn't need to get branching performance equal to that of ATi, because there are many other factors that will cause bottlenecks even if that is used, but they have to get it closer (I would say even if they are 2 times slower then ATi end result if thier pixel shader pipeline is more effiicient then it will end up a close race.) Since branching won't be used to extreme measure in the first dx 10 games I think it will be ok to see "somewhat" improved branching performance in the g80 and it will still do fine.
Sweetz
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Just want to comment on Crysis and DX10.
Everything anyone outside of CryTek has seen of Crysis is running on DX9. DX10 hardware does not yet exist, the DX10 SDK has not been publically or, to my knowledge, privately released to anyone outside of MS, the operating system on which DX10 needs to run can not yet run DX10. No public demos of DX10 have ever been demonstrated - anything that's been seen is tweaked versions of DX9 using driver specific calls that are supposed to be representative of standard features in DX10.
Meaning...I highly doubt DX10 version of Crysis is anywhere close to the DX9 version in development if it even exists at all. They'd need prototype hardware, access to DX10 which is still in development and which no other developer I know has access to (excluding MS of course), and of course Vista and prototype drivers for their prototype hardware. No, it's just too implausable when you think about it.
The only evidence we have that there's a DX10 version of Crysis is CryTek's word - and that should be taken lightly. It's the same development team that talked up the 64 bit version of FarCry to no end before the game was released - and of course when the 64 bit enhancement did eventually come out way after the game was released (when it was originally promised to be available on release), it was underwhelming and had very little to actually do with a processor being 64 bit.
Everything anyone outside of CryTek has seen of Crysis is running on DX9. DX10 hardware does not yet exist, the DX10 SDK has not been publically or, to my knowledge, privately released to anyone outside of MS, the operating system on which DX10 needs to run can not yet run DX10. No public demos of DX10 have ever been demonstrated - anything that's been seen is tweaked versions of DX9 using driver specific calls that are supposed to be representative of standard features in DX10.
Meaning...I highly doubt DX10 version of Crysis is anywhere close to the DX9 version in development if it even exists at all. They'd need prototype hardware, access to DX10 which is still in development and which no other developer I know has access to (excluding MS of course), and of course Vista and prototype drivers for their prototype hardware. No, it's just too implausable when you think about it.
The only evidence we have that there's a DX10 version of Crysis is CryTek's word - and that should be taken lightly. It's the same development team that talked up the 64 bit version of FarCry to no end before the game was released - and of course when the 64 bit enhancement did eventually come out way after the game was released (when it was originally promised to be available on release), it was underwhelming and had very little to actually do with a processor being 64 bit.
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