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Stevedroid said:
Just want to comment on Crysis and DX10.

Everything anyone outside of CryTek has seen of Crysis is running on DX9. DX10 hardware does not yet exist, the DX10 SDK has not been publically or, to my knowledge, privately released to anyone outside of MS, the operating system on which DX10 needs to run can not yet run DX10. No public demos of DX10 have ever been demonstrated - anything that's been seen is tweaked versions of DX9 using driver specific calls that are supposed to be representative of standard features in DX10.

Meaning...I highly doubt DX10 version of Crysis is anywhere close to the DX9 version in development if it even exists at all. They'd need prototype hardware, access to DX10 which is still in development and which no other developer I know has access to (excluding MS of course), and of course Vista and prototype drivers for their prototype hardware. No, it's just too implausable when you think about it.

The only evidence we have that there's a DX10 version of Crysis is CryTek's word - and that should be taken lightly. It's the same development team that talked up the 64 bit version of FarCry to no end before the game was released - and of course when the 64 bit enhancement did eventually come out way after the game was released (when it was originally promised to be available on release), it was underwhelming and had very little to actually do with a processor being 64 bit.
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I'm gonna go on faith here. I mean, Crysis is, so far, THE DX10 app that people will want to upgrade not just software but hardware as well. I'm thinking that CryTek and MS are working close on this one and probably nV and ATI as well.

It stands to reason that MS would have provided an SDK to the hardware side (nV and ATI) and to Crytek as well. The hardware will not sell by itself and MS is hyping the gaming advantages of Vista. I'm sure somebody out there (with an ironclad NDA) has working versions of DX10 (Vista Beta) and Beta nV or ATI hardware.

I'm just speculating here, but if no one has DX10 how can anything be ready by the time Vista launches?
 
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No love for MSFS 10 :cry:

It'll ship with a DX9 b/c code path and will have the DX10 code path enabled once DX10 is ready for primetime :cool:
 
I'm sure somebody out the (with an ironclad NDA) has working versions of DX10 (Vista Beta)
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I know this for a fact.........people do have working copies of DX10.

they're trying to make a DX10/WinXP OS..... :)
 
Um, I may not understand something I'm seeing when I run Dxdiag in Vista, but it distinctly says "DirectX 10" in there. Is D3D10 not included with the rest of the package yet the D3D9 emulation layer is? That doesn't sound right at all...
 
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Um, I may not understand something I'm seeing when I run Dxdiag in Vista, but it distinctly says "DirectX 10" in there. Is D3D10 not included with the rest of the package yet the D3D9 emulation layer is? That doesn't sound right at all...
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I had assumed that a working version of DX10 was with Vista Beta.
 
I'm FAIRLY certain it is, but without Dx10 hardware and a game to test that, not knowing for sure am I :D
 
I hope you get a chance to test it soon. ;)

Here's what IGN has to say about DX10 Crysis (just for you, Steve):

"Although DX10 and Vista aren't final yet, we also saw a demonstration of what Crytek hopes to achieve with the Vista version of Crysis, and we can honestly say it's the most impressive game visually that we've ever seen. If the final code is anywhere close to the demo we saw, playing Crysis is going to be very close to playing an interactive live action movie."

http://pc.ign.com/articles/728/728265p1.html
 
Hehehe, me too :D

I still have my hopes set on either a "8800GT" or a "X2800XT" by the end of this year for my existing rig, even tho I cannot do my full all out upgrade now since we just closed on our new house and all excess funds went towards that worthy goal ;)
 
Good goal indeed! I'm hoping that with real competition G80 and/or R600 will be at or below the $500 mark.
 
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I hope you get a chance to test it soon. ;)

Here's what IGN has to say about DX10 Crysis (just for you, Steve):

"Although DX10 and Vista aren't final yet, we also saw a demonstration of what Crytek hopes to achieve with the Vista version of Crysis, and we can honestly say it's the most impressive game visually that we've ever seen. If the final code is anywhere close to the demo we saw, playing Crysis is going to be very close to playing an interactive live action movie."

http://pc.ign.com/articles/728/728265p1.html
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I'm looking forward to Crysis as much as the next man, in fact probably a bit more so, but that peice of the article is pure hype and nothing else. If it's so damn great then where is the vids of it that Crytek should be showing off?

'we also saw a demonstration of what Crytek hopes to achieve ' - all that says to me is they saw a prerendered video. Whupty.

Apologies for being a bit off topic there, but I think it's relevant that even Crytek appear not to have DX10 prototypes or even the capability to run DX10 code. Otherwise they would have been showing the IGN journos what they have achieved instead of what they hope to.

You could also take a look at the other famed DX10 game, Halo 2. Those released screenies show that DX10 is NOT available even to those devs under the wing of Microsoft.
 
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bigtabs said:
'we also saw a demonstration of what Crytek hopes to achieve ' - all that says to me is they saw a prerendered video. Whupty.

Apologies for being a bit off topic there, but I think it's relevant that even Crytek appear not to have DX10 prototypes or even the capability to run DX10 code. Otherwise they would have been showing the IGN journos what they have achieved instead of what they hope to.

You could also take a look at the other famed DX10 game, Halo 2. Those released screenies show that DX10 is NOT available even to those devs under the wing of Microsoft.
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I think you're reading that out of context. Hopes to achieve reads 'still beta' to me, nothing else. There is a DX10 version of Crysis and many have seen it. I'm too lazy to search for the links for you but if you go to the PC Games forum you'll find them there.

Start looking here for people that have seen the DX10 video:

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?p=1334526282#post1334526282
 
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moshpit said:
Um, I may not understand something I'm seeing when I run Dxdiag in Vista, but it distinctly says "DirectX 10" in there. Is D3D10 not included with the rest of the package yet the D3D9 emulation layer is? That doesn't sound right at all...
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It's my understanding that's exactly what it is. DX10, with all the 10 parts disabled/unimplemented. DX10 supposedly will not be usable until release candidate 1. However, I can produce no evidence for this, it's just something I recall picking up here and there, so I could certainly be wrong.

Still, fact remains that there has yet to be any public demonstration of DX10. That point can not be understressed. You'd think by this point there would have been something shown on prototype hardware.

As bigtabs pointed out, if CryTek had a DX10 version of the game, why not just show it, instead of "representations" of it? I don't mean to bad mouth CryTek, I'm sure when DX10 is actually available they'll have a version for it. It's just that it's impossible to get through a discussion about DX10 and new cards without Crysis being mentioned, and it just irks me to see discussions built around something that, as of right now, is irrelevant.
 
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Hopes to achieve reads 'still beta' to me
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Well it's ALL still beta/alpha isn't it, the game's not out yet.

It's still sounds to me like just a prerendered vid of what they'd like it to be.
 
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Actully RC1 is leaked right now, and MS is offering RC1 beta spots about 30 are still for grabs, not that I care im an orginal Vista beta tester. As for DX10 it was added with Beta2 and nothing is disabled, D3D isnt part of DX10, its replaced along with alot of other stuff, thats why you can't find it.
 
Stevedroid said:
Just want to comment on Crysis and DX10.

Everything anyone outside of CryTek has seen of Crysis is running on DX9. DX10 hardware does not yet exist, the DX10 SDK has not been publically or, to my knowledge, privately released to anyone outside of MS, the operating system on which DX10 needs to run can not yet run DX10. No public demos of DX10 have ever been demonstrated - anything that's been seen is tweaked versions of DX9 using driver specific calls that are supposed to be representative of standard features in DX10.

Meaning...I highly doubt DX10 version of Crysis is anywhere close to the DX9 version in development if it even exists at all. They'd need prototype hardware, access to DX10 which is still in development and which no other developer I know has access to (excluding MS of course), and of course Vista and prototype drivers for their prototype hardware. No, it's just too implausable when you think about it.

The only evidence we have that there's a DX10 version of Crysis is CryTek's word - and that should be taken lightly. It's the same development team that talked up the 64 bit version of FarCry to no end before the game was released - and of course when the 64 bit enhancement did eventually come out way after the game was released (when it was originally promised to be available on release), it was underwhelming and had very little to actually do with a processor being 64 bit.
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This may be of interest here:

http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200608/N06.0830.2058.31148.htm

Quote:

GI: The game is heading to the PC this winter, but most likely you’ll be hitting before Windows Vista is released. Are you going to have a DX10 patch for the game after Vista is released?

Yerli: No, it will be integrated. We already have DX10 footage – it was shown at the Microsoft Press Conference. The 360 trailer (shown in the EA booth) that’s DX10 as well. The video is captured from actual DX10 hardware.
 
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